The Traditional Catholic Life?

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It’s interesting. Since becoming Catholic, my husband and I do a lot of the stuff that you are describing (including the images, photoes, etc. in our home), and our parish offers plenty of opportunities to participate in the various prayers and devotions that you describe. They ring the bells out at noon and 6 for those who pray the Angelus. We have a May Crowning coming up this weekend.

But my husband and I don’t consider ourselves “traditional Catholics” and our parish is definitely not “traditional.” (Remember, we’re the parish that offers the rockin’ Life Teen Mass on Sunday evenings.)

So I guess I don’t consider these things “traditional Catholic life.” I just thought they were regular “Catholic life.” Aren’t they?

Oh, I don’t do ALL of the things that are listed so far in this thread. I don’t do Latin. I respect that it is the Official Language of the Church, and I am grateful that it is not required, as I can’t remember even the simplest phrases, even though I’ve heard them a thousand times in various musical works over the years and I’ve read many of your signatures and read the various responses used in the TLM–you could ask me five minutes after reading it, and I wouldn’t remember it. I just don’t remember foreign languages very well. Oh, well. (I don’t remember song lyrics either, even if I’ve heard the song a hundred times on the radio. No clue. I wonder if it has something to do with playing piano. But I can’t play music from memory, either!)
 
What a great thread!Thank you to all of the posters!
I was not born yet, however I would have loved to have enjoyed all of these wonderful traditions!🙂 What a joy! I feel like I missed out on so much…
Peace,
M
 
Here is an interesting view by a priest. It was written before the SP of BXVI, and the priest is now in his 90’s, still praying the Mass…
I began serving the “old Mass” as an altar boy in 1927. I am now 88 years old, 62 years as a priest. As a lad, knowing the perfect recitations of all the Latin Mass responses, I dealt with priests of every age and devotion and I do not recall any who deliberately mumbled their prayers. The churches were not air-conditioned in those days and in the hot summer days it was not uncommon to omit the sermon; Low Mass might last for only 20 minutes, and Communions were much fewer in those days. Now with the Novus Ordo, I have attended Mass in 10 minutes. A possible scandal.
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The only scandal I can recall in the old days was people sleeping during the sermon. Nobody complained about the Eucharistic fast from midnight; nobody complained about Communion on the tongue or about the Latin. In fact, we were proud of the Latin we knew. Non-Catholics marveled at the piety and the reverence of the congregation and the head-coverings of the women. Those were the glory days of the Church when our Catholic faith was a family thing, a treasure we prized. Our faith was so much a part of our life that it colored our moods, shaped our social activities, influenced our style of dress, and flavored our conversation. How many families can make the same claim today?
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Last Sunday I experienced what perhaps was the greatest joy of my priesthood. I could scarcely contain myself. Indeed, my cup runneth over. I celebrated the Tridentine Latin Mass with a congregation of two hundred people. It was like a repetition of my First Holy Mass 56 years ago. It was a Missa Cantata — those sacred Gregorian melodies so fitting for worship: the solemn Trinity Preface, the solemn Pater Noster, the Holy Gospel, and the Orations.
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My daily vernacular Mass has been a joy in my life, but there was always something about this Tridentine Latin Mass that went beyond all telling. I’ve found something that I had lost some 35 years ago. All those years my heart ached for the Latin Mass that I had lost, always hoping that some day, please God, I would find it. Last Sunday I found it. And like the widow of the Gospel who found her lost coin and who called in her neighbors to rejoice with her, now I was the one who wanted to call in the whole world to share in my joy. It was like being away from home all these years and always hoping that some day the permission for me would arrive to return home and share again with my dear ones the joys of long ago. It was home sweet home again. My joy knows no bounds.
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My humble and ineffable thanks to our good Holy Father, Pope John Paul II, the Good Shepherd who went out looking for all those abandoned sheep to lead us back home again — to Rome, sweet home.
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Would I go back to the new Mass? No way!
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newoxfordreview.org/letters.jsp?did=1004-letters 8th entry down.
 
Dempsey1919 said:
brotherhrolf,

You mentioned that you sing in a choir. I often wonder why my the Choir at my Church chooses to sing hymns in the vernacular, when they sound much better in the original latin? Does your choir still sing the traditional latin hymns, or do you focus more on vernacular versions?
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We chant the traditional chants I learned as a kid. Ave Maria, Ave Verum Corpus, Adoro Te Devote, Creator Alme Siderum, Jesu Dulcis Memoria, Regina Coeli, Latare…

During the appropriate liturgical season we chant Hodie Christus Natus Est, Attende Domine, Parce Domine, Gaudeamus, Asperges Me, Vidi Aquam, Veni Creator Spiritus. Four of the five Great Sequences - Victimae Paschalli Laudes, Veni Sancte Spiritus, Lauda Sion. We have not sung the Stabat Mater or the Dies Irae.

For many, many years we had to sing them in English from the 1940 Episcopalian Hymnal. To their credit the Episcopalians did a fine job of translation but it was always like taking a shower with a raincoat on. We have sung Latin for the last fifteen years or more.

We have a large repertoire of sacred motets in both Latin and English. I like the renaissance motets but I really like Bruckner.

Lily dear Sing My Tongue the Savior’s Glory is a mouthful compared to Pange lingua gloriosi.

Phemie, I am surprised. Here in south Louisiana (arguably French) one can see numerous statues of the BVM in folk’s front yards and in May it is not at all uncommon to see her crowned. On the other hand, it had to be all those Irish priests and Irishmen with their

amazon.com/gp/recsradio/radio/B000005BWO/ref=pd_krex_listen_dp_img?ie=UTF8&refTagSuffix=dp_img (Track 11). Ah, I can hear childrens voices singing this

fisheaters.com/flowersrarest.mid

Fond memories of standing there in the school yard with all my classmates of French, Irish, German, Italian, Spanish, and English ancestry every morning during the month of May. And this is not to mention the big parish May Crowning with the statue of the BVM brought into church on the shoulders of the Knights of Columbus to be crowned followed by Benediction.

I am going to my 40th high school reunion there to reunite with my three classmates who were responsible for the guitars and Simon and Garfunkle music at our graduation Mass. The three of them are still playing for alumni retreats and Masses. I already emailed one and said "look out, I’m coming and I’m gonna make you guys sing Palestrina’s “Sicut Cervus”. 😛
 
THE ANSWER FOR THAT IS to MAKE THE LINK:
  1. Secret of Fatima to be revealed in 1960 as requested by Our Most Blessed Mother Mary
  2. The signs and sybols on the one dollar bill related to the freemasons and like
NOVOS ORDO SECLORUM’ = New nonreligious Order on the dollar bill

NOVOS ORDO MASS

see the link!!!
  1. The Freemasons and John xxiii who was elected in 1958
  2. Sister Lucy’s last interview had a last interview by Father Fuentes in 1957
  3. Then sister Lucy was not to receive contact with anyone.
  4. 1960 spiritual director of sister Lucy for 20 yrs forbidden to see her anymore, during his return to Portugal
  5. Different sister Lucy pictures pops up in the 80’s. If you need proof just look at the dentist’s and doctor’s comments and pictures related:
    traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/g11htTwoSisterLucys_Horvat.htm
  6. Death of John xxiii in in 1963
  7. Vatcan council ii was done during 1962-1965
  8. One of the most important moto of Vatican ii: Eucenimism in contradiction to scriptures itself
2 St. John Verse 9-10 : 9 Anyone who advances and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ has not God; he who abides in the doctrine, he has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into the house, or say to him, Welcome"
  1. Need proof about John xiii, take a look at the pictures:
mostholyfamilymonastery.com/John23.html
  1. How about the big ecunumical event at Assissi that would sti Saint Francis up!:
John Paul ii which vatican ii is about to canonized can be seen in these pictures:
mostholyfamilymonastery.com/new_JP2_photos.php
  1. And also don’t forget the big scandal of the vatican bank linked to the Freemasons in 1982
.After the Vatican Bank scandal erupted in the early 1980’s, French and Italian news publications listed the names of more than 150 high ranking bishops, archbishops and cardinals who were active members of Freemasonry, including the P2 Masonic Lodge and other dark and sinister secret societies.

“did the enemy sow the weed , while the master was sleeping?”

Vatican ii offers total different principles from the True Catholic Church we had for centuries.

If you look at the important years here the 1960’ etc, you will see the link and understand why Our Blessed Mother asked for the secret to be revealed in 1960.
  1. also did you know that John xiii did not refused to reveal the secret as required by Our Blessed Mother in 1960. Why is that??? What was the secret about that the Freemasons helped by John xxiii had to bury it??? Why was the True sister Lucy put away.
If you need proof, you are welcome to email me and can give you more evidence…This is not a joke, this is the truth!!!

WE ARE NOT TRADDITIONALIST BUT TRUE CATHOLICS THAT BELIEVE IN THE TRUE CHURCH, NOT THE VATICAN II CHURCH… WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MAJOR DIFFERENCE HERE!!!

" Let those who have ears hear and those who have eyes see"
 
Was Marian devotion more widespread before Vatican II?

I have heard it said that most Catholics regulary prayed the Rosary in the old days. I have also heard people remark that devotions like the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary was more widespread. Do you agree?
 
I was born in 1964 in small town Illinois. I think the liturgical changes came more slowly to small parishes after Vatican II. I have faint memories of wearing a veil, taking communion at the rail/kneeling/on the tongue. Unfortunately due to moving numerous times since FHC, I do not have the items given to me as gifts on that sacramental day. :mad:

My dad was not catholic, my mother was/is quite devout, she would remember more of the things you are discussing on this thread. Personally, I am thirsty for greater depth in the practice of my faith. I’ve been reading a lot since finding this website, have learned a lot, and hopefully the journey will continue.

Thanks for starting this thread!
 
Dempsey1919 said:
Was Marian devotion more widespread before Vatican II?

I have heard it said that most Catholics regulary prayed the Rosary in the old days. I have also heard people remark that devotions like the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary was more widespread. Do you agree?
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This is a question I’ve wondered about too. I’m going to start a thread for it.
 
What a nice thread–its a walk down memory lane

I went to a Catholic grade school in the 50’s. What a difference today!
I remember Mass and singing in the choir, making First Fridays (take a sack breakfast as we had to fast from midnight then) Our outside grotto of BVM that we took flowers to and prayed the rosary. And the sisters teaching 3 grades in one room and there was order!!

Our home had pictures and statues everywhere, a holy water dish.
I have been wanting to go to a TLM and today I did. I recently found out that I could attend at the seminary about 60mi from me. It was just like going home. It was a High Mass with 2 decons. I will be going there again. The reverence to Our Lord is so much more in the TLM.
It was like going home
 
OK its 1955, I missed the 9am Mass at my parish, but my moterh won’t let me go to the 9:30 am Mass at the church 3 blocks from my church because I’m not welcomed there because of the color of my skin. And if by chance the ushers let me in, I’ll have to sit upstairs in the chpir loft with the rest of the negroes. Although I was born a year later, this was the way it was until about 1963 or 1964. That particular parish is closed today, while the one I grew up in is till flourishing thanks to the Josephites who taught us that we’re all God’s children and respected us. So much so that many artisans in the parish made repairs to maintain the church. I can remember the priest, one in particular, FR. DeGrandis, who today is blessed with the gift of healing, would come to our house to visit my grandmother, hear her confessions, and give her the Eucharists.
 
Jacafamala said:
Hi, I just wanted to say that in my area (New Jersey), at the ICK and FSSP chapels both the Gospel and the NT reading are read first in Latin and then in English at the Sunday Mass. In addition, a missal has the entire Mass and propers in English, so you can follow along.

I’d agree to this. But also true is the fact that a Mass said sloppily will create sloppy Catholics.

** I would concur. As a convert who has continued the pursuit of information and understanding of Doctrine and Discipline, I am always dismayed at how many good practicing, cradle Catholics are misinformed as to the teachings of the mother Church.**

It’s perfectly acceptable at the TLM for older persons with joint problems to stand at the altar rail. I think that everyone there understands this.🙂

I was making a feeble attempt at humor there

This is true, the Church will always move forward. But doctrine in always unchanging, of course… and I like to think we’ll bring more of our traditional devotions back into the picture.

Keeping in mind that most of the “devotions” are discipline rather than doctrine. I also prefe most of the traditional devotions. I just do not get into the mode of ‘anything other than traditional’ is less valid…

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Amen, Amen
 
A less discplined liturgy does not necessarily mean less devout Christians! C. S. Lewis after attending a Greek Orthodox Divine Liturgy:

"What pleased me most about a Greek Orthodox Mass I once attended was that there seemed to be no prescribed behavior for the congregation. Some stood, some knelt, some sat, some walked; one crawled about the floor like a caterpillar. And the beauty of it was that nobody took the slightest notice of what anyone else was doing. I wish we Anglicans would follow their example. One meets people who are perturbed because someone in the next pew does, or does not, cross himself. They oughn’t even to have seen, let alone censured. “Who art thou that judgest Another’s Servant?” – p. 10

If you have time to watch everyone not doing everything perfectly, you aren’t concentrating on the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass nearly enough.

That said, I do love a traditional Mass EF or OF said according to the forms prescribed by the Holy Church.
 
Jacafamala said:
I only know what I heard told from my parents and my father in law. They had real Catholic schools back then, Catholic Colleges were very Catholic. And parochial schools were very, very cheap. Most Catholic kids went to them. The classes were huge, like about 70 kids to a class. Everyone behaved or else. The kids all walked to school, and this was in Brooklyn, where both my mother and father grew up… It was safe to do in the 40’s and 50’s. No one worried about something happening to them. The delivery boy used to bring food from the store daily to my grandmother’s house on a bicycle.

The Infant of Prague was big back then, most of the women in my Irish family kept the Holy Child on their dresser.

They used to do the May crowning in school and they’d sing all the Marian songs,
“O, Mary we crown you with blossoms today…”
Every girl wanted to be picked to crown the Blessed Mother.

The Irish went to an Irish church, the Italians went to an Italian church and so on. After Mass they’d go get brunch from the Jewish deli.

My father in law grew up in Pennsylvania. Both his parents were Polish immigrants and lived directly across the street from the Polish parish. The family had ten kids, many of whom shared beds. They lived in a row house. It was during prohibition era, so the men drank moonshine. The mother made all her girls dresses from scratch. She made everything from scratch… Pretzels, birch beer, everything. She was a third order Franciscan. Very saintly.

You know, my take on it is that they had it so good back then, they didn’t really appreciate or understand how good it was. They didn’t have all the depravity polluting the culture.I think in a way now we have that over them; we know how bad things can get so we appreciate reverence at Mass and things done right much more. Way back then, they didn’t know anything but.
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Oh my, I’m afloat in nostalgia after reading that! If only we could return to a simpler time such as that!
 
servantofall said:
OK its 1955, I missed the 9am Mass at my parish, but my moterh won’t let me go to the 9:30 am Mass at the church 3 blocks from my church because I’m not welcomed there because of the color of my skin. And if by chance the ushers let me in, I’ll have to sit upstairs in the chpir loft with the rest of the negroes. Although I was born a year later, this was the way it was until about 1963 or 1964. That particular parish is closed today, while the one I grew up in is till flourishing thanks to the Josephites who taught us that we’re all God’s children and respected us. So much so that many artisans in the parish made repairs to maintain the church. I can remember the priest, one in particular, FR. DeGrandis, who today is blessed with the gift of healing, would come to our house to visit my grandmother, hear her confessions, and give her the Eucharists.
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God bless you for posting this! It really brings things into perspective for us all.
 
Hi,
Leo Onayemi is my name.
I am very happy to be in the mist of my fellow Catholic brothers & sisters.
Within a short time I have gained a lot. Thanks.🙂
 
Welcome Leo!
I see this is your 1st post so I am here to say I am glad you are with us!
👍
 
I was born in 1950 and grew up one block from a Catholic church and surrounded by Catholic families. I was raised prodestant.
I married a Traditional Catholic girl and came into the church threw the Latin Right in 1975.
I love the Traditional Latin Mass, because the post Vatican II Mass is a MESS.
It is like going to a hoedown. No reverance to Christ hardly at all.
In the Latin Mass I can feel close to God and Christ and talk with them, and I feel involved in the Mass itself. Its quiet and you can pray.
We say the Rosary every day, along with the Devine Mercy at 3pm. We take communion on the tonge only.
My wife and I raised 3 sons in the old Latin Mass along with all its traditions. Its a great way to live, and “yes” we make the sign of the cross at all meals at home and away and don’t eat meat on Friday or eat 3 hours before Mass.
It can be done and the Latin Mas is around and available.
We beleave in it so much we travel 220 miles round trip some Sundays to Las Vegas Nv. to make the Latin Mass.
Darryl:thumbsup:
 
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