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JamesCollins
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I don’t think I’ve ever read a thread on the Trinity where anything was any clearer at the end than at the beginning.
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Eric_Hyom
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Could the greatest commandments be used to describe the oneness between God the Father and God the Son?
Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, soul, mind and strength and he loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.
Does God the Father respond to this love?
God the Father loves God the Son, with all his heart, soul, mind and strength.
And he loves each and everyone of us as he loves himself.
There is one passage translation in the New International Bible; that links the spirit and the greatest commandments…
1 Samuel 18
1 Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself
Can the trinity possibly hang and depend on the greatest commandments?
We are created in the image of God, we are asked to pray to God our Father, Does God the Father love each and every one of us, as he loves himself.
Jesus loves God the Father with all his heart, soul, mind and strength and he loves each and every one of us as he loves himself.
Does God the Father respond to this love?
God the Father loves God the Son, with all his heart, soul, mind and strength.
And he loves each and everyone of us as he loves himself.
There is one passage translation in the New International Bible; that links the spirit and the greatest commandments…
1 Samuel 18
1 Jonathan became one in spirit with David, and he loved him as himself
Can the trinity possibly hang and depend on the greatest commandments?
We are created in the image of God, we are asked to pray to God our Father, Does God the Father love each and every one of us, as he loves himself.
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Gabriel_of_12
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Mystically the Decalogue (10 commandments) is summed up into two. The first three deal with our humanity Loving God, the next 7 is summed up in Love of neighbor.
The commandments do not subject God to Love, when God is Love.
God is Love. Love points to God’s own Essence of being. The Love between the Father and the Son is one in unity with the Holy Spirit which reveals God does not self love inwardly, God who is Love, reveals His Love in and through the Son, when God sends His Love the Son to our humanity when God’s Love is sent.
Because God is an eternal being who is not confined to time and space, God does not respond in the way our humanity relates to responding, God mysteriously reveals His Love in time and space in the presence of the Father (Voice), Son (Word) and Holy Spirit who is Love, revealing His divine Love.
When the voice from heaven reveals His Love in His only begotten Son confirmed in the Holy Spirit; “This is my Son in whom I AM well pleased”, "
Listen to Him", “Today I have begotten you”.
God the Father loves God the Son, with all his heart, soul, mind and strength.
And he loves each and everyone of us as he loves himself.
That is man obeying the law of God to Love his neighbor as himself, when we Love God and Love our neighbor as our self, we image God who is Love from our humanity which is created in God’s likeness.
There does not exist any commandment from which the Trinity depends, for no law can convict God who is Love.
The Law is given to expose and convict sin. Where there is Love there exist no law to convict Love who is God. God Himself has freed us from the Law, by die-ing the death for us which the law demands a death. When by ourselves no man can keep the law, thus man must die (baptism in the Trinity) to the law in order to be free from the law, when we are parted Gods divine nature in the Spirit in order to Love.
There is no greater Love, than for a man to lay down HIS life for HIS friends.
My post does not answer or attempt to correct your thoughts. Your thoughts triggered my opinion.
Peace be with you
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Vico
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Person is hypostasis.
From the Cappadoccian thinking, the common in a class refers to nature. This is physis, and the particular is hypostasis. Ousia is being, normally used to mean physis of Godhead. So there are three hypostasis with one the physis of Godhead.
The man Jesus is the hypostasis of Jesus with the physis of man. The hypostasis of Jesus is identical to the hypostasis of the Son. Therefore there are two physis, that of man and that of Godhead.
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Gabriel_of_12
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Mystically the Decalogue (10 commandments) is summed up into two. The first three deal with our humanity Loving God, the next 7 is summed up in Love of neighbor.
The commandments do not subject God to Love, when God is Love.
God is Love. Love points to God’s own Essence of being. The Love between the Father and the Son is one in unity with the Holy Spirit which reveals God does not self love inwardly, God who is Love, reveals His Love in and through the Son, when God sends His Love the Son to our humanity when God’s Love is revealed in the Trinity of persons who Loves outwardly in contrary to an invert love.
Because God is an eternal being who is not confined to time and space, God does not respond in the way our humanity relates to responding, God mysteriously reveals His Love in time and space in the presence of the Father (Voice), Son (Word) and Holy Spirit who is Love, revealing His divine Love.
When the voice from heaven reveals His Love in His only begotten Son confirmed in the Holy Spirit; “This is my Son in whom I AM well pleased”, " This is my Son Listen to Him", “Today I have begotten you”.
Jonathan’s love fulfills the law of God to Love his neighbor as himself, when we Love God and Love our neighbor as our self, we image God who is Love from our humanity which is created in God’s likeness.
There does not exist any commandment from which the Trinity depends, for no law can convict God who is Love.
The Law is given to expose and convict sin. Where there is Love there exist no law to convict Love who is God. God Himself has freed us from the Law, by die-ing the death for us which the law demands a death. When by ourselves no man can keep the law, thus man must die (baptism in the Trinity) to the law in order to be free from the law, when we are parted Gods divine nature in the Spirit in order to Love.
There is no greater Love, than for a man to lay down HIS life for HIS friends.
My post does not answer or attempt to correct your thoughts. Your thoughts triggered my opinion.
Peace be with you
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Eric_Hyom
Guest
Hello Gabriel of 12;
When Jesus spent his time on Earth; he would have lived by the greatest commandments, there can be nothing greater than the greatest. So in that sense we know that Jesus loved God the Father with all his heart, soul, mind and strength, and he loved all his neighbours as he loved himself.
But how did Jesus love all his neighbours as he loved himself, the people who condemned him to death, the soldiers who nailed him to the cross, we know Jesus prayed forgive them Father.
Can Jesus love us more than he loves himself? Yes because he laid down his life for us, you could also say that Jesus holds the power of heaven or hell over each and every one of us.
Was the nature of Jesus different on Earth when he lived by the greatest commandments, to when he ascended back to the Father?
Profound questions we struggle with, Jesus said; if you know me, you know the Father.
Somehow the answers to the Trinity lay in the greatest commandments.
Just some thoughts
Blessings
Eric
When Jesus spent his time on Earth; he would have lived by the greatest commandments, there can be nothing greater than the greatest. So in that sense we know that Jesus loved God the Father with all his heart, soul, mind and strength, and he loved all his neighbours as he loved himself.
But how did Jesus love all his neighbours as he loved himself, the people who condemned him to death, the soldiers who nailed him to the cross, we know Jesus prayed forgive them Father.
We know that Jesus laid down his life for me, you and all mankind.
Can Jesus love us more than he loves himself? Yes because he laid down his life for us, you could also say that Jesus holds the power of heaven or hell over each and every one of us.
Was the nature of Jesus different on Earth when he lived by the greatest commandments, to when he ascended back to the Father?
Profound questions we struggle with, Jesus said; if you know me, you know the Father.
Somehow the answers to the Trinity lay in the greatest commandments.
Just some thoughts
Blessings
Eric
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joe371
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Interesting perspective, from saint Faustina: souls in heaven forever contemplate the wonderful mystery of the Holy Trinity:
"Today I was in heaven, in spirit, and I saw its inconceivable beauties and the happiness that awaits us after death. I saw how all creatures give ceaseless praise and glory to God. I saw how great is happiness in God, which spreads to all creatures making them happy; and then all the glory and praise which springs from this happiness returns to its source; and they enter into the depths of God, contemplating the inner life of God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, whom they will never comprehend nor fathom. This source of happiness is unchanging in its essence, but it is always new, gushing forth happiness for all creatures. Now I understand St. Paul who said, “Eye has not seen, not has ear heard, nor has it entered into the heart of man what God has prepared for those who love Him” (777).
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Gabriel_of_12
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Except when it comes to the thrice (3x) Holy nothing is higher, and when the thrice Holy is revealed the greatest commandment is revealed and personified in glory in our presence. When the greatest commandment pronounces that which is Holy and glorified in the person of Jesus Christ who is Love personified.
You raise a good point here, because the revelation of the Son who loves the Father becomes manifested in the second person of the Trinity Jesus Christ. “Thou he was in the form of God, Jsus did not deem equality with God something to be grasped at. Rather He emptied Himself and took the form of a slave, being born in the likeness of men” (Phillipians 2:6-11).
Jesus revealed from His humanity, who makes it possible for our humanity in every age to truly Love God and neighbor, when it was impossible for us to Love God and neighbor from our humanity from the letter of the Law. Humanity proved that man cannot keep the Law of the covenant. Thus the testator of the covenant took it upon Himself to take on our flesh and paid the debt of the law with His humanity for our sake, so as to make it possible for our humanity to Love God and neighbor from our freewill in the Spirit of the Lord, without the dictation of the law convicting our humanity to love
Jesus reveals His love for us when He took upon Himself our humanity in every way except sin. Jesus new those who crucified His Humanity were in need of a compassionate Savior, when man reveals during Jesus passion, “they know not what they do”. Jesus proved His Love for us when Jesus gave up the Ghost from His Humanity that hanged on the cross to fulfill the greatest commandment. When the Son fulfills the Will of His Father in Heaven,
Jesus loves all His neighbors and enemies as Himself, because Jesus never condemns anyone (humanity) but was sent from the Father to save our humanity with His own Humanity, thus Jesus Loves us in the love He loves the Father and that Love is a Person manifested in the Holy Spirit.
The sacrifice of Jesus Christ for our humanity is an act of Love from Love. True Love has no limits, so as to gage love or calculate Love of being more or less for another when God is Love.
As to heaven and hell, when Jesus, “obediently accepting even death on a cross…God highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name above every other name,…at Jesus name every knee must bend in the heavens, on the earth, and under the earth, and every tongue proclaim to the glory of the Father Jesus Christ is Lord!”
God still graced us with freewill after the crucifixion. Jesus ascended into heaven to prepare a place for us. Love never condemns, we who object to Love of God and reject the dignity of life and love for neighbor make our own path into hell. Jesus saves, that is why Jesus in heaven is the lamb of God standing as thou slain making atonement for our sin until He return for His own body the Church, who is His bride, for which Jesus gives His life for and died for. This bride and bridegroom biblical analogy defines how Jesus loves His neighbor as Himself.
see Ephesians 4-5 for more on this love.
No, Jesus died and resurrected with His same Human nature. The apostle Thomas confirmed the holes in Jesus hands and in his side after the resurrection. The book of revelations reveals Jesus in heaven as the slain lamb. Although the Word of God was Incarnate fully human in every way except sin and fully divine in every way consubstantial with the Father.
Profound for sure; the mystery of the Trinity can never be exhausted, yes the Trinity can be mystically revealed in the whole of the decalogue. The Father who voiced them, the Word (Son) which manifests them, and the Spirit who declares them and reveals them to our hearts, mind which is the spirit of our humanity. Yet in the fullness of time the Word of Go became flesh and fullfilled every letter of the law.
Peace be with you
Enjoy sharing with you
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Eric_Hyom
Guest
Hello Gabriel
Did God have a complete plan for the creation of everything, did he think ahead? Were Christ’s life, death and resurrection planned before the creation of the universe began?
To search for a deeper meaning, was Christ freely given the choice to accept his sacrifice before the creation of the universe began?
What purpose can be so great, that it would compel God to create the universe and life, knowing in advance the suffering of mankind and that his son would die?
Would it be to forgive the sins of mankind, or can there be something greater?
Challenge your mind to find a greatest good purpose for creation; by searching for answers to three questions.
What greatest thing can God create?
God could create all the stars and planets of the universe; he then becomes God the builder.
God could create a whole variety of life with almost no intelligence like plants; he now becomes God the gardener’ God could create life with more intelligence like the animal kingdom. He now becomes God the farmer. God could create life in his own image, a life that could understand him. He now become God the Father. Can God create anything greater than children in his own image, Does the greatest thing that God creates, depend on the relationship that he can have with them?
What greatest purpose can God have to create children in his own image?
Could love be the greatest reason for God to create children?
Could the ultimate God be a God who loves in the greatest way? God the Father willingly loves all of mankind as he loves HIMSELF.
Can there be any greater reason to create children, even for God; can God love us more than he loves himself? In a way, God loves us more than he loves himself, because he sent his Son to die for us. In a contradicting way, God loves himself more than us, because he is the greatest being in the universe and retains the power of heaven or hell over us. We can never have the wisdom to understand the fullness of God’s love during our lifetime, but to dare to think that God loves each and every one of us as he loves himself is indeed a profound thought. When you ask the question; why did Christ say they are the greatest commandment, can it possibly be because they are greatest for God also?
To find a greatest purpose for all God’s children.
What greatest purpose could God set for humanity? Would it be for everyone to turn to His kind of religion and pray the way that he stipulates, or would it be to banish poverty, gain intellectual superiority, conquer sickness and death, and subdue the universe or is there more?
If the greatest reason God could have to create mankind, is to love us, as he loves himself, then God could create mankind, with the freedom to return God’s love
All of mankind to be created with the freedom to love God the creator unconditionally, are we given the greatest commandment as a guide for this very purpose?
God willingly loves everyone as he loves himself; do we also need this same freedom to love everyone in the same way, so that the truth can be complete for God and mankind.
All of mankind, to be created with the freedom to love their neighbour; as they love themselves unconditionally; are we given the second greatest commandment as a guide?
Is this how God wants his children to be one? He wants us to love each other as we love ourselves, despite our differences.
Could the greatest commandments be a Greatest and Ultimate Truth?
John 15 – As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you.
If our greatest purpose for creation is to live by the greatest commandments, then this freedom to love also gives us the choice to do both good and evil. Are the greatest commandments powerful enough, to compel God to create the universe and life, knowing in advance the costs involved?
We can marvel at the great attention to detail that is evident in everything from the microscopic cells of life and right up to the giant structures of galaxies. Can you find any greater purpose for all this to exist? Challenge the above statements in your mind in an honest way, test them against any religious beliefs, and test them against any form of logic.
This is only a collection of words to challenge the mind to think, I do not pretend to understand the meaning, or to make any claims of truth from these words. They are written without any qualifications, authority, or any conscious revelations from God. If you have found any inspiration then please feel free to pass these words onto others who may also pray, meditate and challenge these words further. I do not wish to make any claims for copyright; so you are free to use these words in any way you choose. My hopes are that they may inspire unity, greater interfaith relations and world peace in some way.
Blessings
Eric
Here is a simplistic yet profound way to test the power of the greatest commandments, If you choose to read further then search for something greater than I have written.
Did God have a complete plan for the creation of everything, did he think ahead? Were Christ’s life, death and resurrection planned before the creation of the universe began?
To search for a deeper meaning, was Christ freely given the choice to accept his sacrifice before the creation of the universe began?
What purpose can be so great, that it would compel God to create the universe and life, knowing in advance the suffering of mankind and that his son would die?
Would it be to forgive the sins of mankind, or can there be something greater?
Challenge your mind to find a greatest good purpose for creation; by searching for answers to three questions.
What greatest thing can God create?
God could create all the stars and planets of the universe; he then becomes God the builder.
God could create a whole variety of life with almost no intelligence like plants; he now becomes God the gardener’ God could create life with more intelligence like the animal kingdom. He now becomes God the farmer. God could create life in his own image, a life that could understand him. He now become God the Father. Can God create anything greater than children in his own image, Does the greatest thing that God creates, depend on the relationship that he can have with them?
What greatest purpose can God have to create children in his own image?
Could love be the greatest reason for God to create children?
Could the ultimate God be a God who loves in the greatest way? God the Father willingly loves all of mankind as he loves HIMSELF.
Can there be any greater reason to create children, even for God; can God love us more than he loves himself? In a way, God loves us more than he loves himself, because he sent his Son to die for us. In a contradicting way, God loves himself more than us, because he is the greatest being in the universe and retains the power of heaven or hell over us. We can never have the wisdom to understand the fullness of God’s love during our lifetime, but to dare to think that God loves each and every one of us as he loves himself is indeed a profound thought. When you ask the question; why did Christ say they are the greatest commandment, can it possibly be because they are greatest for God also?
To find a greatest purpose for all God’s children.
What greatest purpose could God set for humanity? Would it be for everyone to turn to His kind of religion and pray the way that he stipulates, or would it be to banish poverty, gain intellectual superiority, conquer sickness and death, and subdue the universe or is there more?
If the greatest reason God could have to create mankind, is to love us, as he loves himself, then God could create mankind, with the freedom to return God’s love
All of mankind to be created with the freedom to love God the creator unconditionally, are we given the greatest commandment as a guide for this very purpose?
God willingly loves everyone as he loves himself; do we also need this same freedom to love everyone in the same way, so that the truth can be complete for God and mankind.
All of mankind, to be created with the freedom to love their neighbour; as they love themselves unconditionally; are we given the second greatest commandment as a guide?
Is this how God wants his children to be one? He wants us to love each other as we love ourselves, despite our differences.
Could the greatest commandments be a Greatest and Ultimate Truth?
John 15 – As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you.
If our greatest purpose for creation is to live by the greatest commandments, then this freedom to love also gives us the choice to do both good and evil. Are the greatest commandments powerful enough, to compel God to create the universe and life, knowing in advance the costs involved?
We can marvel at the great attention to detail that is evident in everything from the microscopic cells of life and right up to the giant structures of galaxies. Can you find any greater purpose for all this to exist? Challenge the above statements in your mind in an honest way, test them against any religious beliefs, and test them against any form of logic.
This is only a collection of words to challenge the mind to think, I do not pretend to understand the meaning, or to make any claims of truth from these words. They are written without any qualifications, authority, or any conscious revelations from God. If you have found any inspiration then please feel free to pass these words onto others who may also pray, meditate and challenge these words further. I do not wish to make any claims for copyright; so you are free to use these words in any way you choose. My hopes are that they may inspire unity, greater interfaith relations and world peace in some way.
Blessings
Eric
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