The United States Association of Consecrated Virgins

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Here is the ** audio**of “Life on the Rock #623” August 13, 2009 on EWTN USA with Judith Stegman, President of US Association of Consecrated Virgins.

Here the US Association of Consecrated Virgins web site.

Interesting. Judith’s Life on the Rock talk gives a good overview of consecrated life.

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I was able to listen to the EWTN interview-one of the few times I could get anything on my laptop from EWTN-go figure.

I know that ‘Life on the Rock’ is a program for young people-but what about us ‘older folks’ who are 'way past 35? I’ll be 55 the day after tomorrow-where do I fit in the Church as a middle-aged single woman? We are thought of as chopped liver, IMO…

I’m more of a traditional bent, and there is no such thing as ‘consecrated virginity’ for a laywoman. You’re either married, or you’re in priesthood/religious life. The group of Traditional Catholics I go to Mass to don’t even believe in consecrated virginity for a Catholic woman living in the world-they would consider it as an ‘invention of Vatican II’.

Besides that, I don’t even have a spiritual director-I’m pretty much ‘on my own’.

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I’m more of a traditional bent, and there is no such thing as ‘consecrated virginity’ for a laywoman. You’re either married, or you’re in priesthood/religious life. The group of Traditional Catholics I go to Mass to don’t even believe in consecrated virginity for a Catholic woman living in the world-they would consider it as an ‘invention of Vatican II’.

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I’m sorry to hear that traditionalists would not recognize consecrated virginity as the oldest vocation in the Church besides the priesthood. The Blessed Virgin was our first virgin, and Agnes, Lucy, Cecilia, etc. were all consecrated virgins. Consecrated virginity lived in the world predates religious life, and the Fathers of the Church spoke beautifully about it.
 
Barb, most bishops are very cautious about consecrating women who are UNDER 35 years old although there have been some exceptions. There needs to be some spiritual maturity in discerning the vocation to consecrated virginity since it is permanent and irrevocable unlike even reglious vows. There is no upper age limit for this vocation. As Semper said it is one of the oldest vocations in the church and, athough it was not formally surpressed by the church until the mid 1920’s, it fell into disuse with the rise of religious orders. In the mid 1920’s a few women in France asked for and received the consecration after being given permission by the Vatican. However, when they asked that it be made more widely available, it was surpressed (possibly due to the fear that it’s encouragement would interfer with vocations to religious life). Through the heroic efforts of one of the French women consecrated in the 1920’s, it was indeed restored by Vatican II in 1970. So it was surpressed for less than 50 years.

I hope the group that you are connected with does not reject everything coming out of Vatican II. It was not all bad you know and is the official teaching of the Church.
 
I was thrilled to see that show! I only learned about consecrated virginity, literally, just this past week. It’s pulling very strongly on my heart! I’ve never had the guts to ask for spiritual direction before, but I just plunged ahead with that a couple days ago.
I hope the group that you are connected with does not reject everything coming out of Vatican II. It was not all bad you know and is the official teaching of the Church
It’s so sad what people think about Vatican II. There’s a camp that try to pull off these horrible secular/liberal things in the church in the “Spirit of Vatican II” and then there’s the camp that think the same “spirit” is from the anti-christ or something. I wonder how many of these people have actually read it!
 
I was able to listen to the EWTN interview-one of the few times I could get anything on my laptop from EWTN-go figure.

I know that ‘Life on the Rock’ is a program for young people-but what about us ‘older folks’ who are 'way past 35? I’ll be 55 the day after tomorrow-where do I fit in the Church as a middle-aged single woman? We are thought of as chopped liver, IMO…

I’m more of a traditional bent, and there is no such thing as ‘consecrated virginity’ for a laywoman. You’re either married, or you’re in priesthood/religious life. The group of Traditional Catholics I go to Mass to don’t even believe in consecrated virginity for a Catholic woman living in the world-they would consider it as an ‘invention of Vatican II’.

Besides that, I don’t even have a spiritual director-I’m pretty much ‘on my own’.

:(:(:(😦
For someone who has a possible vocation towards consecrated virginity, seeing a Catholic write something like that is offensive and like a slap in the face.
There is such a thing as consecrated virginity for laywomen, and it predates vatican II. So your saying that it doesn’t exist does not sound like a traditional bent idea at all.
 
There are many saints who, despite living seculars, consecrated their virginity to God, and so achieved greater glory.

I am reminded that also the married saints tend to take vows of perpetual chastity fro the start or eventually, and live continently.

The scriptures give special privileges to those who are virgins. This is not surprising. Both Christ and the Blessed Virgin Mary are models of consecrated virginity, and marriage does not exist in Heaven, save such as the religious life on earth have it, as a spiritual allegory and true bond between Christ and the Church.

So virginity is the flower of flowers, St. Paul in the Holy Scriptures advises it to everyone who can possibly keep it, and speaks of special rewards given in Heaven to virgins alone, apart from all others.

Heaven is not egalitarian. . it is a place where everyone who takes the best path receives the best rewards, and every choice you make determines your lesser or greater reward forever and ever. Life is precious isn’t it?

Here are some quotes for contemplation on virginity:

‘We do not say that marriage was not sanctified by Christ, since the Word of God says: ‘The two shall become one flesh’ and one spirit. But we are born before we are brought to our final goal, and the mystery of God’s operation is more excellent than the remedy for human weakness. Quite rightly is a good wife praised, but a pious virgin is more rightly preferred.’

St. Ambrose of Milan, Bishop and Doctor of the Church

‘The fourth [spiritual weapon] is the memory of the glorious pilgrimage of that immaculate lamb, Christ Jesus, and especially his most holy death and passion, keeping always before the eyes of our minds the presence of his most chaste and virginal humanity. This is the best means for winning each battle, and without it, we will not achieve victory over our enemies. Every other weapon will achieve little without this one which surpasses all the rest.’

St. Catherine of Bologna

‘The seventh weapon with which we can conquer our enemies is the memory of Holy Scripture which we must carry in our hearts and from which, as from a most devoted mother, we must take counsel in the things we have to do. Thus we read of the most prudent and consecrated virgin St. Cecilia where it says: “She always bore the gospel of Christ hidden in her heart.” And with this weapon, our savior Christ Jesus conquered and confounded the devil in the desert saying: “It is written” (Lk 4.1-13). Therefore, dearest sisters, let not the daily readings that you read in the choir and at table go without effect; and let the thoughts which you hear each day in the gospels and epistles at Mass be new letters sent to you by your heavenly spouse.’

St. Catherine of Bologna

‘O Ye virgins, I have but a word to say to you. If you look to married life in this life, guard your first love jealously for your husband. It seems to me a miserable fraud to give a husband a worn-out heart, whose love has been frittered away and despoiled of its first bloom instead of a true, whole-hearted love. But if you are happily called to be the chaste and holy bride of spiritual nuptials, and purpose to live a life of virginity, then in Christ’s Name I bid you keep all your purest, most sensitive love for your Heavenly Bridegroom, Who, being Very Purity Himself, has a special love for purity; Him to Whom the first-fruits of all good things are due, above all those of love.’

St. Francis de Sales, Bishop and Doctor of the Church

‘Virgins enjoy many privileges. They will have gold crowns, they alone will sing the canticle, they will wear the same garments that Christ wears, they will always march after the Lamb himself.’

St. Jerome, Bishop and Doctor of the Church

'When I advise virginity, I pass no censure on marriage. . . for blame is allowed only in reference to a really bad act. But how can it attach to a Christian whose only reproach is, that he confines himself within a more modest sphere, and dares not aim at the highest efforts of virtue? I shall not, indeed, praise the vigor and energy of his courage; but neither shall I cast blame on timid reserve.

Our doctrine. . . proclaims marriage to be good, and virginity better.

. . . Marriage, which is good in itself, leads us to admire virginity, that is better, and outstrips it in dignity as much as the captain and the general are above the common soldier and sailor.’

St. John Chrysostom, Bishop and Doctor of the Church

‘Virginity surmounteth all conditions of nature human, by which men be associate to angels, and the victory of virgins is more than of angels. The angels live without flesh, and virgins living in their flesh triumph.’

Bl. Jacopus de Voragine

‘Saint Augustine saith: Virginity chooseth to follow more the life of angels in their flesh, than to increase the number of mortal people in their flesh. For it is more blessed and more plenteous to increase their mind than to be great with child. For some have children of sorrow, and virginity bringeth forth children of joy, virginity replenisheth heaven of children, and they that be married replenish the earth. And Jerome saith: The weddings fill the earth, and virginity filleth heaven; that one is of great business, and this is of great rest; virginity is silence of charge, peace of the flesh, redemption of vices and princess of virtues. Marriage is good, but virginity is better. Saint Jerome saith to Palmatius the difference between marriage and virginity, and saith: The difference is as much as is between not to sin and to do well, or as I may clearlier say, as is between good and better. For marriage is compared to thorns, and virginity to roses. And he saith to Eustochius: I praise marriage, for they engender virgins. I gather from the thorns roses, gold from the earth, and out of the shell a precious pearl or stone.’

Bl. Jacopus de Voragine

‘Virginity is the flower of the seed of the Church, beauty and adornment of spiritual grace, a glad joy of laud and honour, work entire and incorrupt, image of God, and yet more noble as to the holiness of God and portion of the flock of Jesus Christ.’

St. Cyprian of Carthage, Father of the Church

‘The virgin thinketh on the things of the Lord: that she may be holy both in body and in spirit.’

1 Cor. 7,34

‘O Lord, we cannot go to the pool of Siloe to which you sent the blind man. But we have the chalice of Your Precious Blood, filled with life and light. The purer we are, the more we receive.’

St. Ephrem of Syria, Doctor of the Church
 
In a way, I would agree that there is no such thing as consecrated virginity for a laywoman. Once a bishop has consecrated a virgin through the approved Rite, the virgin passes from being a laywoman to a member of the consecrated state.
 
For someone who has a possible vocation towards consecrated virginity, seeing a Catholic write something like that is offensive and like a slap in the face.
There is such a thing as consecrated virginity for laywomen, and it predates vatican II. So your saying that it doesn’t exist does not sound like a traditional bent idea at all.
Heavens, I never meant what I said as ‘a slap in the face’! :confused: If that was your interpretation of my comment, then I apologize…

Maybe I didn’t express it very well…I was talking about how some Catholics who call themselves ‘Traditional’ view consecrated virginity.
 
Barb,
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     My advise to you and anyone considering consecrated virginity is to contact the Vicar/Delgate for Relgious/Consecrated Life in your diocese. That person can also help you find a spiritual director. This vocation is a diocesan thing and does not depend on the mind set of the parish you are in. It is your Bishop that has the final say in everything. The actual consecration should be done in the catherdral and must be performed by a bishop (not a priest even it he is your  pastor). But it can be done by an auxilary bishop if the regular bishop is too busy.
The website for the US Association of Consecrated Virgins should be very helpful to you as well.consecratedvirgins.org
 
It’s possible that the persons opposed to the idea think you’re referring to 3rd degree females in Regnum Christi, who often refer to themselves as “consecrated” women. Consecrated Virgins are entirely different.
 
Consecrated virginity is an awesome life to live. It should be encouraged amongst young ladies. however, this life should not be placed side by side with married life. each person is called to his/her life/vocation, and one is as important as the other, like all parts in a human body functions. Without marriage, there will be no virgins.
 
I love and admire Consecrated Virgins so much. :love: It’s a whole different calling then Religious life. I once had lunch with Karen Bussey who runs the Mother Teresa house and she sent me a note a few days later that was very encouraging to me in my vocation. I also had a chance to go on a retreat with some of them and I discerned that it wasn’t for me, but it’s an amazing calling!

JMJ+
~Betsy

Totus tuus Maria!
 
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