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itsjustdave1988
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Scott Hahn makes a convincing argument that it was written prior to AD 70 and St. John was referring to Jerusalem.
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Scalia
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Yup, his tapes on Revelations are absolutely stunning.
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javelin
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I’ll third (or fourth?) that one.
While on vacation in Florida, years ago, I stopped by a booth some missionaries had setup outside where they were giving away various books, tracts, and things. One thing I saw was a large cassette tape collection by Scott Hahn, who I had heard of, and when I asked about it, they insisted I take it.
I had no idea what I was getting in to: it was his whole discourse on Revelation.
WOW!
I would highly recommend it to anyone interested in a true scholarly and Biblical look at Revelation.
Peace,
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MonicaC
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I will also agree with that but I will aslo recommend The Lamb’s Supper by Scott Hahn. It really is good.
I would also throw in my two cents and say that I think it really absurd that someone would try say that The Vatican or the church for that matter is the whore since it was started by Christ, by saying such a thing you might as well acuse Jesus of being the whore! Tell your friend that he really needs to do some research and find the truth, because as the saying goes to know history is to cease being protestant.
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ceasar
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Semper Fi:
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i’m not a catholic…and i think he’s dead on…i do have to admit i have heard some things that i can’t really substantiate with scripture…but nevertheless i tend to agree with most of his doctrine…You must be weary of what Jack Van Impe teaches (preaches)… while a lot of it is good, most of what he says isn’t in line with Catholic Doctrine. ie. pre-tribulation rapture, whore of Babylon speculation, speculating on the return of Christ (no one shall know the time or the hour except the Father which is in Heaven) etc… Watch it, but with a grain of salt. He speaks a lot like an Evangelical Baptist minister.
He’ll preach that Catholics are his brothers and sisters in Christ and then go on to preach some garbage about the St. Malachi “prophecies” which were proven a hoax as they were written a few hundred years after St Malachi died. Also, he’ll say that Catholics are his brothers and sisters in Christ and then take quotes out of context which our Pope John Paul the Great said and then subtly use them against us. Also, a couple broadcasts back he mentioned that our Pope Benedict (when he was Cardinal Ratzinger) signed a “treaty” with the Lutherans saying that Catholics aren’t saved by works anymore… Yeah, of course he could sign that; we never said we were!A few years ago he was predicting that the Pope after John Paul II would be the antiChrist… Javk Van Impe is just a wolf in sheep’s clothing looking to make a quick buck off of Christ.
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ceasar
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there are 10 nations in the EU the ten charter nations that are permanant nations…they have the nay or say in all matters…the other nations are invitation only and from what i understand are merely spectators and very seldomly participators…
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Todd_Easton
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This statement is not entirely accurate. According to Jewish tradition, Jerusalem was also built on seven hills. (A non-Catholic source says: In the Pirke de-Rabbi Eliezer, an eighth century midrashic narrative (section 10), the writer mentioned without commentary (showing that the understanding was well known and required no defense) that “Jerusalem is situated on seven hills” (recorded in The Book of Legends, edited by Bialik and Ravnitzky, p. 371, paragraph 111).
Another non-Catholic source supporting Jerusalem as the city on seven hills, names the seven hills as: 1.) Mount Gared; 2.) Mount Goath; 3.) Mount Acra; 4.) Mount Bezetha; 5.) Mount Moriah; 6.) Mount Ophel; 7.) Mount Zion.
A few more reasons to think that Babylon the great, mother of harlots, in Revelation refers to apostate Jerusalem:
- The “Babylon the great, mother of harlots” is “the great city” (Rev 18:10, 16, 18, 19, 21). Elsewhere, in Revelation, “the great city” is “where their Lord was crucified.” (Rev 11:8)
- The great city, “Babylon the great, mother of harlots” is on “seven mountains” (Rev 17:9); the Psalmist says, “the mountains are round about Jerusalem” (Psalm 125:3)
- “Babylon the great city … in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints” (Rev 18:21-24);Jesus lamented, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you” (Matt 23:36)
- “The waters that you saw, where [Bablyon] the harlot is seated, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues” (Rev 17:15); “there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven” (Acts 2:5)
- Revelation 17:16 says,“And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate [Bablyon] the harlot; they will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire”; Jesus said, “O Jerusalem…Behold, your house is forsaken and desolate.” (Matt 23:36-37)
- Revelation 18:4-5 says, “Then I heard another voice from heaven saying, 'Come out of her [Babylon the great city], my people, lest you take part in her sins, lest you share in her plagues.” Jesus said, “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near. … let those who are inside the city depart” (Luke 21:20-21)
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UnworthySoul
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miguel delgado:
The key is not that the Vatican sits on one hill, it is that the hill the Vatican sits on is NOT one of the seven hills of Rome.
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epr1993
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The present EU started out with six nations and was called the European Coal and Steel Community. It has changed names several times since then from the EEC, EC, and EU. When the EU was formed (called the Maastricht Treaty) there were twelve members. Three more joined in 1995. Last year ten new nations joined to bring the total to 25. To join they have to apply and must meet several criteria such as having a market economy, a stable rule of law, human rights, etc.
eurunion.org/profile/brief.htm
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wcknight
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Well, I think you are the only one here that agrees with him (Jack Van Impe). It seems you are hung up on the EU thing being the beast when folks have already shown you that is doesn’t fit the bill.
The protestant interpretation of Revelations is wrong. The end may or may not be near but the rapture, and the whole beast and whore of Babylon thing is way off base.
Of course IF we get a few more tsunamis and major earth quakes, I may be joining you in proclaiming the sky is falling… :whacky:
Get a good Catholic book on the Truth about Revelations and you will be surprised at how far off base these guys are.
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