The Vulgate and Divino Afflante Spiritu

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Some excerpts from Divino Afflante Spiritu:
  1. … ought we to explain the original text which, having been written by the inspired author himself, has more authority and greater weight than any even the very best translation, whether ancient or modern…
  2. Nor should anyone think that this use of the original texts, in accordance with the methods of criticism, in any way derogates from those decrees so wisely enacted by the Council of Trent concerning the Latin Vulgate.
  3. And if the Tridentine Synod wished “that all should use as authentic” the Vulgate Latin version, this, as all know, applies only to the Latin Church and to the public use of the same Scriptures; nor does it, doubtless, in any way diminish the authority and value of the original texts. For there was no question then of these texts, but of the Latin versions, which were in circulation at that time, and of these the same Council rightly declared to be preferable that which “had been approved by its long-continued use for so many centuries in the Church.” Hence this special authority or as they say, authenticity of the Vulgate was not affirmed by the Council particularly for critical reasons, but rather because of its legitimate use in the Churches throughout so many centuries; by which use indeed the same is shown, in the sense in which the Church has understood and understands it, to be free from any error whatsoever in matters of faith and morals; so that, as the Church herself testifies and affirms, it may be quoted safely and without fear of error in disputations, in lectures and in preaching; and so its authenticity is not specified primarily as critical, but rather as juridical.
  4. Wherefore this authority of the Vulgate in matters of doctrine by no means prevents–nay rather today it almost demands–either the corroboration and confirmation of this same doctrine by the original texts or the having recourse on any and every occasion to the aid of these same texts, by which the correct meaning of the Sacred Letters is everywhere daily made more clear and evident. Nor is it forbidden by the decree of the Council of Trent to make translations into the vulgar tongue, even directly from the original texts themselves, for the use and benefit of the faithful and for the better understanding of the divine word, as We know to have been already done in a laudable manner in many countries with the approval of the Ecclesiastical authority.
Some questions:

Did, indeed, “all know” that use of the Vulgate applied “only to the Latin Church”? If so, how?

If the Vulgate current at the time of this encyclical (1843) was deemed “free from any error whatsoever in matters of faith and morals”, such that “it may be quoted safely and without fear of error in disputations, in lectures and in preaching”, then what exactly does “corroboration and confirmation of this … doctrine by the original texts” really mean?

Does the constant contrasting of the “original language” texts with the Latin Vulgate make anyone else want to throw his/her hands up?

Anyone care to speculate what Pius XII would think if he saw some of our modern English versions?
 
Good and Gentle People,

My memory must be acting up - again - since I just did a Forum Search on an unrelated topic, and one of the threads which popped up was “Questions about Divino Afflante Spiritu”, originally posted on June 2, 2007 - by me! And I even got the answers I was seeking.

My apologies, then, for unwittingly revisiting this topic with this particular thread. :o
 
Good and Gentle People,

My memory must be acting up - again - since I just did a Forum Search on an unrelated topic, and one of the threads which popped up was “Questions about Divino Afflante Spiritu”, originally posted on June 2, 2007 - by me! And I even got the answers I was seeking.

My apologies, then, for unwittingly revisiting this topic with this particular thread. :o
Hi, Manfred. I do not recall seeing the original thread. I would like to read it. Do you have a link?
 
Hi Manfred,

Does the constant contrasting of the “original language” texts with the Latin Vulgate make anyone else want to throw his/her hands up?

What’s the problem. This Pope, who was by no means a “liberal” says that the value’ of the Vulgate is “juridical”, while the value of the original texts is “critical”.? The Vulgate translation has received the Church’s most official stamp of approval. It has nothing against faith and morals.The original texts are supreme because they are the word of God in their original state. The Vulgate can and does have mistakes. That is why we have a “Nova Vulgata”.

Verbum
 
Hi Manfred,

Does the constant contrasting of the “original language” texts with the Latin Vulgate make anyone else want to throw his/her hands up?

What’s the problem. This Pope, who was by no means a “liberal” says that the value’ of the Vulgate is “juridical”, while the value of the original texts is “critical”.? The Vulgate translation has received the Church’s most official stamp of approval. It has nothing against faith and morals.The original texts are supreme because they are the word of God in their original state. The Vulgate can and does have mistakes. That is why we have a “Nova Vulgata”.

Verbum
Just which of the modern English translations made from the “original languages” would you say is worthy of being deemed “supreme”?
 
Just which of the modern English translations made from the “original languages” would you say is worthy of being deemed “supreme”?
I still have not found one particular modern English translation that is best. I am hoping that the RSV-3CE will be an improvement when it is finally complete.
 
Hi Manfred,

There is not one English translation that I really like. I can’t for the life of me, understand why the English-speaking world can’t find people who are competent, both from the point of view of scripture and from the point of view of literature, to produce a decent translation of the Bible. The Revised Standard version is the least bad.

From my observation, the best translation in any language, apart from the Vulgate, is the French Bible de Jérusalem. It is known for sticking closely to the original yet having high literary value. One would have hoped that the English translations inspired by it would have the same qualities. But this has not happened. The first one was too literal and the second was not enough. Neither have literary value.

My advice : learn French… or Latin (Nova Vulgata)

Verbum
 
Hi Manfred,

There is not one English translation that I really like. I can’t for the life of me, understand why the English-speaking world can’t find people who are competent, both from the point of view of scripture and from the point of view of literature, to produce a decent translation of the Bible. The Revised Standard version is the least bad.

From my observation, the best translation in any language, apart from the Vulgate, is the French Bible de Jérusalem. It is known for sticking closely to the original yet having high literary value. One would have hoped that the English translations inspired by it would have the same qualities. But this has not happened. The first one was too literal and the second was not enough. Neither have literary value.

My advice : learn French… or Latin (Nova Vulgata)

Verbum
Actually, the second JB, the 1985 NJB, was somewhat literal, and the original 1966 JB not literal enough. I think the literary value of the NJB exceeds the JB and, of course, the (R)NAB.

But I certainly agree that in English we don’t have a translation that’s decent in that it translates Scripture correctly and says it well.

The two best for me right now are the Douay-Rheims and the NJB. There’s something about the RSV-CE that I can’t quite put my finger on, but I can’t seem to embrace it as others do.
 
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