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Xantippe
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That’s not exactly our call as lay people.
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otjm
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Perhaps we should let God do the judging. Neither you nor I know the depths of the issues which might put a Catholic into the “lapsed” category. Neither you nor I know what, if anything, that Catholic may have actually understood in terms of what they were taught, nor the reasons for their “lapse”.
I have come across so many poorly or minimally catechized lapsed Catholics that I am constantly amazed at how little they know of Catholicism. And I see that particularly in the adult lapsed Catholics who were lucky if their parents got them to some form of religious education during their youth (as they were public school kids all the way), who went to Mass as a cultural exercise of the family (and often with no consistency of attendance), and who somewhere along the line ran into Protestants who were on fire for Christ.
I find this in particular with those who had the misfortune during the 70’s and 80’s, and into the 90’s, whose religious instructions as grade schoolers consisted of not much more than pasting cotton balls on sheep cutouts, cutting out butterflies for Easter, and instructions in the faith which could have been given in any one of the multitude of Protestant denominations.
I have come across so many poorly or minimally catechized lapsed Catholics that I am constantly amazed at how little they know of Catholicism. And I see that particularly in the adult lapsed Catholics who were lucky if their parents got them to some form of religious education during their youth (as they were public school kids all the way), who went to Mass as a cultural exercise of the family (and often with no consistency of attendance), and who somewhere along the line ran into Protestants who were on fire for Christ.
I find this in particular with those who had the misfortune during the 70’s and 80’s, and into the 90’s, whose religious instructions as grade schoolers consisted of not much more than pasting cotton balls on sheep cutouts, cutting out butterflies for Easter, and instructions in the faith which could have been given in any one of the multitude of Protestant denominations.
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guanophore
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LOL now that is novel! Sadly true!As I once heard a priest say, there were two events in the US that happened around the same time, Vatican II and Woodstock, and a lot of people confuse the two events.
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StephieNorthCo
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Actually temporally displaced a bit (62-65 vs 69) but point taken.
There were a lot of things that hit in that time period, not the least of which was the sexual revolution and the pill.
One thing to consider: had Vatican 2 not occurred, things might have gotten much worse than they did.
There were a lot of things that hit in that time period, not the least of which was the sexual revolution and the pill.
One thing to consider: had Vatican 2 not occurred, things might have gotten much worse than they did.
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RandomAlias
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Very well, and peace may you find.I have said my peace on this subject.
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Xantippe
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Yes. The pill appeared in the US in 1960. If you look at Figure 1 hereActually temporally displaced a bit (62-65 vs 69) but point taken.
There were a lot of things that hit in that time period, not the least of which was the sexual revolution and the pill.
One thing to consider: had Vatican 2 not occurred, things might have gotten much worse than they did.
http://www.prb.org/Publications/Dat...tion-data-sheet/fact-sheet-us-population.aspx
there’s a dramatic drop in the US total fertility rate (TFR) that starts almost exactly then, with US fertility plunging from then on until more or less bottoming out in the early 1970s at more or less the current level (there’s basically a 40+ year plateau in TFR).
There was a lot of stuff happening in the 1960s.
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