The Word, The Word, The Word is The Word

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Godith said:
Not at all. I am fully aware the Bible was compiled later. šŸ™‚

I think I am missing your point. :confused:
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Godith,

I doubt that the reference is to the Bible. The reference to Scripture may be possible however the reality is the only Scripture declared would have been the OT for sure, beyond that it would be speculation as to any NT writings.
 
I would just like to compliment you on that awesome song reference in the title šŸ‘
 
CopticChristian said:
Ben,

You are correct. In context it is none other than Jesus is a two edged sword.šŸ™‚
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from my backgroung in Charismatic word movement, they always pointed out there were two greek words for "wordā€™ used in scripture. Logos such as what was quoted in beginning of Johnā€™s Gospel which they say meant Jesus. Then there was Rhema which was used in the Hebrew passage that Coptic quotes. Rhema is considered the Bible. That is how they viewed it.
 
robwar said:
from my backgroung in Charismatic word movement, they always pointed out there were two greek words for "wordā€™ used in scripture. Logos such as what was quoted in beginning of Johnā€™s Gospel which they say meant Jesus. Then there was Rhema which was used in the Hebrew passage that Coptic quotes. Rhema is considered the Bible. That is how they viewed it.
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Robwar,

To use Bible for Hebrews would not make sense.
For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that. 9So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. **10For the one who has entered His rest **has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. 11Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience. 12For the **word of God **is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13And there is no creature hidden from His sight, but all things are open and laid bare to the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.
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Joshua is Jesus and Jesus is Joshua and in reference to the rest, it is HIm and Him is sharper and Him from which no creature is hidden.

Interpose ā€œBibleā€ into the context of this passage and you get no sense at allā€¦

He rests, the Bible is sharper, no creature is hidden?

He rests, He is sharper, no creature is hidden.

Noā€¦The Rhema, The Rhema, is not the wordā€¦
 
CopticChristian said:
Robwar,

To use Bible for Hebrews would not make sense.

Joshua is Jesus and Jesus is Joshua and in reference to the rest, it is HIm and Him is sharper and Him from which no creature is hidden.

Interpose ā€œBibleā€ into the context of this passage and you get no sense at allā€¦

He rests, the Bible is sharper, no creature is hidden?

He rests, He is sharper, no creature is hidden.

Noā€¦The Rhema, The Rhema, is not the wordā€¦
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Hi Coptic,
This is what I was taught when I attended those churches that were into the ā€œword of faithā€ movement. They (I am not saying I) always taught two Greek words for word,
logos and rhema and rhema was what was used in the Hebrew passage. That is way Kenneth Haginā€™s school was called Rhema Bible college meaning the word Bible college.
 
robwar said:
Hi Coptic,
This is what I was taught when I attended those churches that were into the ā€œword of faithā€ movement. They (I am not saying I) always taught two Greek words for word,
logos and rhema and rhema was what was used in the Hebrew passage. That is way Kenneth Haginā€™s school was called Rhema Bible college meaning the word Bible college.
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Robwar,

I understand. The Greek word used is logos and not Rhema.
 
CopticChristian said:
Godith,

I doubt that the reference is to the Bible. The reference to Scripture may be possible however the reality is the only Scripture declared would have been the OT for sure, beyond that it would be speculation as to any NT writings.
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Having reflected on this, I can see it canā€™t mean the Bible, as in the 66+ books we have now, because it wasnā€™t compiled yet. (To be fair, Iā€™ve never heard anyone teach that, either.)

Itā€™s interesting to compare the Hebrews passage to Revelation 1, though. In the description of Christ there, the double-edged sword comes from his mouth (v16). In the light of the passage from Revelation, it seems that the Hebrews verse is referring not to the person of Jesus, but rather to His words. So we might read it ā€˜For the Gospel of God is living and activeā€¦ā€™ Does that make sense?
 
Godith said:
Having reflected on this, I can see it canā€™t mean the Bible, as in the 66+ books we have now, because it wasnā€™t compiled yet. (To be fair, Iā€™ve never heard anyone teach that, either.)

Itā€™s interesting to compare the Hebrews passage to Revelation 1, though. In the description of Christ there, the double-edged sword comes from his mouth (v16). In the light of the passage from Revelation, it seems that the Hebrews verse is referring not to the person of Jesus, but rather to His words. So we might read it ā€˜For the Gospel of God is living and activeā€¦ā€™ Does that make sense?
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Godith,

That would be 73 books.
 
CopticChristian said:
Godith,

That would be 73 books.
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I said 66 +, because of the disagreement on that. This thread isnā€™t about the canon of Scripture, and I didnā€™t want to open that particular debate here. Itā€™s not relevant to the topic in hand.
 
Godith said:
I said 66 +, because of the disagreement on that. This thread isnā€™t about the canon of Scripture, and I didnā€™t want to open that particular debate here. Itā€™s not relevant to the topic in hand.
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Godith,

You are correct. You did say 66+. There has been disagreement on this for the last 500 years after the books (+) were removed.šŸ™‚
 
The WORD of the Lord is TRUTH.

In itself HE has complete authority and when he manifests himself, it is as a** glittering two edged sword**, he appeared to Job in a whirlwind saying ā€œWho are you to darken my counselā€ and his counsel is subjective as well as thorough, the stark reality is that there is no friendly face, and his work is as thorough as the priest who offers the lamb for slaughter, flaying, dismembering and splitting the animal through the chine,. his judgement spans the whole life of any man or woman, whether at the end of their life or in the middle of it, and the ā€œvictimā€ will be told the outcome whether it be at their lifeā€™s end or in the middle of it, but the person will be taken to the end of their life for the conclusion, his conclusion.
This action is not a Trinitarian aspect of God, it is the third Personā€™s prerogative to Judge.

Many people are unaware of the fact that the Bible references to the Sword, are references to Judgement, ā€œA sword, a sword is polished for slaughterā€ , and Christ suppressed the zeal he felt, when he said "Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword

Very esoteric
 
Awsome thread i learn something new here everyday. I thank all of you here!šŸ‘
 
God has only one Word and his name is Jesus Christ. He comes to us in many ways; through the sacraments, through the teachings of the Church, through his indwelling in our souls and through Sacred Scripture. Everything in scripture points to Jesus Christ. He is the culmination of all prophecy; the final and complete revelation of God to mankind. The verse in Hebrews is speaking of a living, active Being, a Person, Jesus Christ. This is not to say that Christ does not speak to us from the pages of scripture, but even then, it is the Word who is doing the speaking. Try a little lectio divina and you can actually have a conversation with Him.
 
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