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whowantsumadebo
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Debo seems to have been schooled on Biblical Greek. However, In light of the theology of John’s Gospel, it seems to me that the traditional translation is the most clear and concise.
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pnewton
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One’s belief must have nothing to do with translation or all credibility is lost. How is calling Jesus divine “highly heretical”? He is divine. Nothing is diminished. His oneness with the Father is evident elsewhere.
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catholic2
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This is exactly why the JW’s credibility suffers. They change scripture to suite their belief. No where does it make such a poignant case of Jesus’ divinity as in this particular passage. Any change, deletion or addition as in this case attacks Jesus’ divinity and it does so not even in a subtle way as some may try to make the case.
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pnewton
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I absolutely agree. The NWT’s translation of this passage is totally unsubstantiated and is done deliberately to undermine the oneness of Jesus as God.
No doubt if they would ever get past 1:1 this would be made clear. In, “the Word was with God”, a preposition is used which connotes greater intimacy that the English “with.”
Not to mention the rather blatant part of “He created all thing and with out Him was nothing made”. We know from Genesis 1:1 the God created the Heavens and the Earth and His spirit moved on the face of the waters. Now we have “the Word” in the begining creating the World. John was rather obvious.
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At_His_Feet
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If Jesus is called “God” in John 1:1, then it should have support in other parts of the Bible.
What follows are 7 passages from the evangelical New American Standard Bible in which, apparantly, Jesus is directly called “God”:
Isa. 9:6; For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
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John 1:1** In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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John 20:28** Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
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2 Peter 1:1** Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ…
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Titus 2:13** looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
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Heb. 1:8** But of the Son He says, “your throne, O God, is forever and ever”
I John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
Although the readings above are disputed by some, they are all supported in either the text or footnotes of the 1901 American Standard Version and the Revised Standard Version.
Then, what you find in the writings of the early Christians is a continuation of that way of referring to Jesus; see the following link: http://www.catholic.com/library/Divinity_of_Chirst.asp
What follows are 7 passages from the evangelical New American Standard Bible in which, apparantly, Jesus is directly called “God”:
Isa. 9:6; For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.
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John 1:1** In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
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John 20:28** Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”
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2 Peter 1:1** Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ…
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Titus 2:13** looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,
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Heb. 1:8** But of the Son He says, “your throne, O God, is forever and ever”
I John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
Although the readings above are disputed by some, they are all supported in either the text or footnotes of the 1901 American Standard Version and the Revised Standard Version.
Then, what you find in the writings of the early Christians is a continuation of that way of referring to Jesus; see the following link: http://www.catholic.com/library/Divinity_of_Chirst.asp
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