Theodicy and the Problem of Cancer

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Warning: this post won’t help you with your faith. But I’m not here to convince you of my ideas (so I won’t be back to debate any answers, though I might post to thank people for good answers). What I want to do is express my line of thought and see how you would answer it.

Can God be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent when cancer exists? Well, why does cancer exist? There are several causes but one possibility is that ionising radiation hits the DNA inside your cells, causing the programming of the cell to go haywire and replicate without limit. For the universe to not have the possibility of people getting cancer, you would either have to change the way electromagnetic radiation works, or you would have to change the way DNA works.

That universe sounds very different to the one we have now. But that’s a man’s perspective - when we design things, we are used to having to make sacrifices in some areas to get benefits in other areas. We can’t make a perfect bridge (for example). But God can make a perfect bridge. Further, God can make a universe that is almost identical to this one except it’s not possible for people to get cancer.

To say that he couldn’t do that would be to say he is not omnipotent.
To say that he didn’t know about the possibility of people getting cancer when he designed the universe this way would be to say he is not omniscient.
To say that he wanted people to get cancer would be to say he’s not omnibenevolent.

Seriously, how could you justify it? As Catholics we believe “the ends don’t justify the means” so even if God knew that some good would come from the existence of cancer, it wouldn’t be worth the harm it does. It is indiscriminate, harming innocent children and old folk alike. It is a very slow and painful death (death by crucifixion doesn’t take nearly as long…)

Then we must have to find an explanation that says that God didn’t originally intend for the universe to have cancer and that it was introduced by someone else. But who could do that? Anyone who could change a universe to make radiation or DNA work significantly differently without breaking everything else in the process could create their own universe. Or if we blame the sin of Adam and Eve, it’s still God who is deciding what changes to make in the universe, therefore it’s still him who is choosing to make a universe with cancer instead of one without.
 
Your logic doesn’t necessarily follow. One could replace ‘cancer’ with any malady. A perfect universe only exists in the heavenly realm. Down here, we have free will to muck things up - and do quite a thorough job at that.
 
Cancer is awful, but no more so than Alzheimer’s disease, broken necks, or the worm in Africa that eats the eyes of children.

For whatever reason, the purposes of God were met by an entropic universe. Entropic chemistry drives the world, and powers our bodies. And given an entropic world, there is no reason why the neurons in our heads, the bones of our necks, or the DNA in our cells would be immune to entropy.

For that, we must wait for the life everlasting and the pneumatikon soma.

ICXC NIKA
 
Can God be omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent when cancer exists?..

To say that he couldn’t do that would be to say he is not omnipotent.
To say that he didn’t know about the possibility of people getting cancer when he designed the universe this way would be to say he is not omniscient.
To say that he wanted people to get cancer would be to say he’s not omnibenevolent…

…Seriously, how could you justify it? As Catholics we believe “the ends don’t justify the means” so even if God knew that some good would come from the existence of cancer, it wouldn’t be worth the harm it does. It is indiscriminate, harming innocent children and old folk alike. It is a very slow and painful death (death by crucifixion doesn’t take nearly as long…)…
Good question. I believe the answer lies in our lack of knowledge. You seem to be arguing that cancer is a gratuitous evil, or that no discernible good comes from it.

However, because a good is not discernible does not mean that it absolutely and certainly does not exist. Essentially, I think that we cannot have enough information to declare that any evil (except hell perhaps), is definitely gratuitous. I believe that this is the argument offered by the book of Job.

If you prefer, I dispute the third horn of your dilemma. I do think God wants people to get cancer, but I don’t think we have enough or the right kind of evidence to show that this means God is definitely not omnibenevolent. We just can’t be certain there is no greater good.

This is a technical and philosophical response. I am sorry if you or anyone in your orbit is suffering from cancer. This response is no comfort at all, I am aware. Sorry! :imsorry:
 
For your emotional sanity: this thread is intended in a technical and philosophical way. No one I know well is suffering from cancer right now, though there have been in the past.
 
The issue would have not so much to do with the “problem”, as it does with the “mystery” of suffering.

Life can really hurt. Whether it is sensory or emotional pain, or simply the ignorance in which we dwell, things can be bad, very bad.
But, what is that? Supernovas explode, galaxies collide - all very spectacular, but stub your toe? Ouch!!

Suffering reaches deep into who we are.
The wolves chase us, and although we may give them the slip, it is always for the moment.
We here believe in heaven and the resurrection; but, death and suffering follow in the form of the reality of hell.

Why is there suffering? The first (Gensis), the oldest (Job) and the newest (the revelation of the incarnation and sacrifice of the Word) books of the Bible provide God’s revealed answer.
We are where we are as a result of sin, participants in God’s grand design - a cosmos emerging from God’s love, on a wondrous journey back to the Source.

What is it but Love, which makes the pain possible?
It hurts because life really matters.
That same love that makes us weak, allows us to transcend our suffering.
God is Love, our refuge and our strength on our Way Home.

How can one not be utterly AMAZED at what is happening here, the total AWESOMENESS of it all!!
This is HUGE!
There should be nothing; and here we, each of us, are - WOW!!
 
Life can really hurt. Whether it is sensory or emotional pain, or simply the ignorance in which we dwell, things can be bad, very bad.
But, what is that? Supernovas explode, galaxies collide - all very spectacular, but stub your toe? Ouch!!
No connection there.

Without useless conjecture about space aliens, there is no reason to assume that anybody is hurt in a supernova.

Galaxies are mostly empty space and do collide without even directly affecting the world’s within them.

Only astronomers are aware of these events anyhow.

But the tiny bits of mass known as our human bodies matter in an entirely different way, because they hold our life.

So yes, it does matter when you stub your toe.

ICXC NIKA.
 
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