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Monica4316
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I was wondering what the Church teaching on this is. Is a marriage somehow confirmed when the married couple consummate the marriage? why/why not? thanks!
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MarcoPolo
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From Pope John Paul II’s Theology of the Body. There is some very theological language, but the answer is sort of how the marriage completely resembles the full union of the bridegroom and bride of Christ and Church:*Marriage as a sacrament is contracted by means of the word, which is a sacramental sign in virtue of its content, “I take you as my wife/husband, and I promise to be faithful to you always, in joy and in sorrow, in sickness and in health, and to love you and honor you all the days of my life.” However, this sacramental word is, of itself, only a sign of the coming to be of marriage is distinct from its consummation, so much so that without this consummation, marriage is not yet constituted in its full reality. The observation that a marriage is juridically contracted but not consummated (ratum, non consummatum) corresponds to the observation that it has not been fully constituted as a marriage. (JP2, Theology of the Body, Audience 103.2)*The translation I used above may differ slightly from that link. Mine is from the updated translation in the book Man and Woman He Created Them.
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thistle
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Can. 1061 §1 A valid marriage between baptised persons is said to be merely ratified, if it is not consummated; ratified and consummated, if the spouses have in a human manner engaged together in a conjugal act in itself apt for the generation of offspring. To this act marriage is by its nature ordered and by it the spouses become one flesh.
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eamonnroma
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Thank you
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Monica4316
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Thanks for the replies!
What about in cases where people marry but take a vow of chastity too, like Blessed Bartolo Longo? Is this like a separate vocation, or an exception?
I also heard about Christians in the East (like Eastern Orthodox, don’t know about Eastern Catholic) sometimes marrying but living as brother and sister - for example, priests. Again would this be like a separate vocation or like an exception? when would the Church support such an exception?
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What about in cases where people marry but take a vow of chastity too, like Blessed Bartolo Longo? Is this like a separate vocation, or an exception?
I also heard about Christians in the East (like Eastern Orthodox, don’t know about Eastern Catholic) sometimes marrying but living as brother and sister - for example, priests. Again would this be like a separate vocation or like an exception? when would the Church support such an exception?
thanks
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Bergon
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IIRC a couple would require permission from the Church (their diocesan bishop, specifically) to marry but to remain chaste. It’s my understanding that such permission is not given lightly.Thanks for the replies!
What about in cases where people marry but take a vow of chastity too, like Blessed Bartolo Longo? Is this like a separate vocation, or an exception?
I also heard about Christians in the East (like Eastern Orthodox, don’t know about Eastern Catholic) sometimes marrying but living as brother and sister - for example, priests. Again would this be like a separate vocation or like an exception? when would the Church support such an exception?
thanks
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quiet52
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from the Catechism:
**The marriage bond **
1639 The consent by which the spouses mutually give and receive one another is sealed by God himself.143 From their covenant arises "an institution, confirmed by the divine law, . . . even in the eyes of society."144 The covenant between the spouses is integrated into God’s covenant with man: "Authentic married love is caught up into divine love."145
1640 Thus the marriage bond has been established by God himself in such a way that a marriage concluded and consummated between baptized persons can never be dissolved. This bond, which results from the free human act of the spouses and their consummation of the marriage, is a reality, henceforth irrevocable, and gives rise to a covenant guaranteed by God’s fidelity. The Church does not have the power to contravene this disposition of divine wisdom.146
144 GS 48 § 1.
145 GS 48 § 2.
146 Cf. CIC, can. 1141.
**The marriage bond **
1639 The consent by which the spouses mutually give and receive one another is sealed by God himself.143 From their covenant arises "an institution, confirmed by the divine law, . . . even in the eyes of society."144 The covenant between the spouses is integrated into God’s covenant with man: "Authentic married love is caught up into divine love."145
1640 Thus the marriage bond has been established by God himself in such a way that a marriage concluded and consummated between baptized persons can never be dissolved. This bond, which results from the free human act of the spouses and their consummation of the marriage, is a reality, henceforth irrevocable, and gives rise to a covenant guaranteed by God’s fidelity. The Church does not have the power to contravene this disposition of divine wisdom.146
more on the Sacrament of Matrimony: vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a7.htm
143 Cf. Mk 10:9.144 GS 48 § 1.
145 GS 48 § 2.
146 Cf. CIC, can. 1141.
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