Things Catholics base on Tradition and not scripture.

[Church_Militant]

I will just throw in this little “scriptural” footnote. The Bishop should be the husband of one wife. Blessings.

And? Celibate clergy is very scriptural as well. Why do your own clergy not abide by the very teachings of Our Lord. The fact is that most of them do not even try.
Priestly celibacy is unBiblical. NOT!

 

[Church_Militant]

You may want to go back and see what you wrote about baptism, look closely and you will see that those who were baptized either believed or repented before baptism.

Really? And so the Philippian jailer and his whole household definitively had no infants or young children in it? You cannot validly say that because it doesn’t say one way or another. (It also blows out the unscriptural requirement of many n-Cs for baptism by immersion, since they weren’t immersed in the middle of the night.)
The Case For Infant Baptism

Then look at this quote from St. Polycarp, who was the Bishop of Smyrna and a martyr for his faith. Note that this holy man was 86 years old at this time and notice what his last words here are.

CHAPTER 9 (LINK) 9:1 But to Polycarp, as he entered the arena, there came a voice from heaven, saying, Be strong, and play the man, O Polycarp. And the speaker no man saw; but the voice those of our people who were present heard. And when he was brought in there was a great tumult, when men heard that Polycarp was apprehended.
9:2 Then, when he had been brought in, the proconsul asked him if he was Polycarp. And when he confessed, he would have persuaded him to deny, saying, Have respect unto thine age, and other things like these, as is their custom to say: Swear by the fortunes of Caesar; Repent; Say, Away with the Atheists. But Polycarp, when he had looked with a grave face at all the multitude of lawless heathen in the arena, having beckoned unto them with his hand, sighed, and looking up unto heaven, said, Away with the Atheists!
9:3 And when the proconsul pressed him, and said, Swear, and I will release thee, revile Christ; Polycarp said, Eighty and six years have I served him, and in nothing hath he wronged me; and how, then, can I blaspheme my King, who saved me?

Also where did you get that statement; “Chap.V11, Let us stand aloof from such heretics”. Blessings

******THE EPISTLE OF IGNATIUS TO THE SMYRAEANS Chapter ******VII Verses 6b-16a

St. Ignatius was a close friend and disciple of St. John Y’know? The same guy who wrote the Gospel of John? [Including the 6th chapter])

 

[Church_Militant]

I am sorry that I cannot believe what you say about this “priest being married” thing. It is a fact that priests in the RCC are not permitted to marry,

You’re dead wrong. Ask all the Eastern Rite Catholics about it and the married priests coning into the Catholic faith from Anglicanism.

I have known several to leave the RCC so they could be married.

So you say, but unless you document them it’s just your personal statement. Even so…if some fail in their calling and vows how does that invalidate the scriptures and the teachings of the church. That’s like saying that because one sins all of our redemption fails.

Of course you choose to completely ignore the following which comes directly from Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew 19:10-12
"10 His disciples say unto him: If the case of a man with his wife be so, it is not expedient to marry.11 Who said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it. "

Scripturally a person can marry after their spouse dies. Blessings.

Irrelevant to this discussion. Let us know when you decide to humbly accept all that the Bible says and not just some few parts…

 

[pablope]

So you ignore the “once for all” This really means “no more”, “not again”, so what do you gain by doing it.?

You mean the Mass…we gain a mystical union with Christ as we receive His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity…as per

John 6:56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him.

 

[Church_Militant]

But always repentance first and then baptism, according to the word of God. Blessings.

Really? Who exactly repented in the case of Jewish baby boys being circumcised? Paul compares circumcision to baptism, so we know they correspond.

Oh? It was the Jewish parents who expressed faith on behalf of their sons.

And this was efficacious and even commanded by God Himself…

Maybe you should begin to question the accuracy of the things that others have taught you; both about the Bible and the Catholic faith. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/corona_stellarum/Smilies/th_bf-wakeupyelll.gif?t=1293163899

 

[JRKH]

Very much in agreement with you here James but I would just like to add one thought.

A main requirement in the search for truth entails one other thing, an earnest, humble, desire for that truth. This type of disposition leads one to move outside of ones self and to open ones self to the Spirit for the guidance that you aptly pointed to.

Well said

 

[Pax]

So you ignore the “once for all” This really means “no more”, “not again”, so what do you gain by doing it.?

googie in Christ,

Jesus told us to do it. He said: “Do this in memory of me.” It also fulfills the prophecy of Malachi 1:11. Moreover, we’ve given you tons of other reasons why we should celebrate the mass including what is said in John 6.

Try this:

John 6:34

They said to him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”

Jesus responds with the discourse on the bread of life saying:

“I am the bread of life.”[John 6:48]

He then goes on to say the following in John 6:51-56:

I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh." The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.

Jesus gives me plenty of reason for us to celebrate the sacrifice of the mass.

God bless.

 

[JRKH]

But always repentance first and then baptism, according to the word of God. Blessings.

In the cases of the Written Scripture this is true for those described in them are of the age of reason. Peter was no preaching to Children. These adults would not come to the font of Baptism without first having a change of heart.
In the case of “infant Baptism” the child is not yet of the age of reason. Therefore Baptism comes before “repentance” (what does an infant have to repent?) What Baptism does in this case is twofold, one objectively and the other implicitly. Objectively it cleans the soul of original sin, and implicitly it demonstrates the commitment on the parents and godparents to raising the child in the faith.

Honestly, I don’t know why there is all this arguing over Baptism. The Holy Scriptures speak clearly of "Water and Spirit. This is the normal way and the way given by John, subjected to by Christ Himself and passed on from day one of The Church. Naturally there are execptions to these norms, but it is just plain silly to constantly argue over this.

Peace
James

 

[CalifCatholic]

The Table of Contents (list of books) in your Bible is a Tradition.

Bingo!!

 

[inkaneer]

I believe when Jesus was talking to Nicodemus about being born again, the water He was referring to was “the washing of water by the word” as in Eph 5:26 and ! Peter 1:23, " being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which lives and abides forever". Blessings.

So let me get this straight then. It appears that you are saying that Trinitarian water Baptism is not necessary. Is that correct?

 

[googie]

So let me get this straight then. It appears that you are saying that Trinitarian water Baptism is not necessary. Is that correct?

I am not sure what you mean,“necessary”, for what? Blessings

 

[googie]

You’re dead wrong. Ask all the Eastern Rite Catholics about it and the married priests coning into the Catholic faith from Anglicanism.So you say, but unless you document them it’s just your personal statement. Even so…if some fail in their calling and vows how does that invalidate the scriptures and the teachings of the church. That’s like saying that because one sins all of our redemption fails.

Of course you choose to completely ignore the following which comes directly from Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew 19:10-12
"10 His disciples say unto him: If the case of a man with his wife be so, it is not expedient to marry.11 Who said to them: All men take not this word, but they to whom it is given. 12 For there are eunuchs, who were born so from their mother’s womb: and there are eunuchs, who were made so by men: and there are eunuchs, who have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven. He that can take, let him take it. "
Irrelevant to this discussion. Let us know when you decide to humbly accept all that the Bible says and not just some few parts…

In 1 Tim 4: 1-3, scripture is talking about the later times, who would you say this scripture is talking about. Blessings.

 

[inkaneer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by inkaneer
So let me get this straight then. It appears that you are saying that Trinitarian water Baptism is not necessary. Is that correct?

I am not sure what you mean,“necessary”, for what? Blessings

No, necessary for salvation.

 

[Church_Militant]

In 1 Tim 4: 1-3, scripture is talking about the later times, who would you say this scripture is talking about. Blessings.

Well let’s just take a look at that passage and then I’ll give you a bit of a history lesson since you apparently don’t know much and your preacher either doesn’t know or won’t tell you the historical truth.

1

] Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by giving heed to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,
2] through the pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared,
3] who forbid marriage and enjoin abstinence from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. The really bad news for you is that this was written in response to the Gnostic cult which did precisely this sort of thing. Meanwhile, the early church expected the Lord to return almost right away, (who wouldn’t have with the 300 years of persecutions that certainly must have felt like the tribulations of the last days to them.) and so there is no doubt a double fulfillment of this passage, which is not at all uncommon in the Bible.

Of course, you simply prefer to ignore what we’ve all pointed out to you about this very Biblical discipline of the Catholic Church. That’s unfortunate, since it tells us that you aren’t interested in truth, but just using CAF as a platform for your anti-Catholic efforts to proselytize us away from our most holy faith,

The good news is that you have been refuted every step of the way and everyone can see that…except you that is. http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/corona_stellarum/Smilies/emo-epicfail.png

 

[inkaneer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by inkaneer
So let me get this straight then. It appears that you are saying that Trinitarian water Baptism is not necessary. Is that correct?

I am not sure what you mean,“necessary”, for what? Blessings

Quote:
No, necessary for salvation.

Hey, googie:

Are we taking a vacation or is the question too tough? Here it is again: Is Trinitarian water Baptism necessary for salvation?

 

[Michael_Francis]

Quote:
Originally Posted by inkaneer
So let me get this straight then. It appears that you are saying that Trinitarian water Baptism is not necessary. Is that correct?

I am not sure what you mean,“necessary”, for what? Blessings

Hey, googie:

Are we taking a vacation or is the question too tough? Here it is again: Is Trinitarian water Baptism necessary for salvation?

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