Third Secret of Fatima

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Some time back a friend of mine sent me a forward on The Third Secret of Fatima. It told about the Visit Father Augustine had with Sister Lucia and about the terrible things that are going to happen if people dont change their lives. What was told is very scary. The forward said that we need to send the message to all our family and friends or we will be held resonsible for their Souls. What I am trying to figure out is is that some persons feelings or did Our Blessed Lady tell that to three three children and did Lucia tell it to Father? The reason I am asking is that they are saying these disasters will happen before 2012. The bad part about saying that is that if it does not happen and people who read it say next year will feel that it has no merit and Souls could be lost. I am also wondering why the church is not saying more about it to try and get people back to the church or are the Bishops still waiting for more information from Rome?

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It seems to me that all that was needed to say about the subject of Fatima has been said.

We don’t have to worry about being responsible for people’s souls if we do not discuss all the details about Fatima with others. We can pray for them, and encourage them to pray, but not be anxious and fearful.

We already know we are to lead good lives, pray, and receive the Sacraments.

Our Lord says “Be not afraid.”
 
Some time back a friend of mine sent me a forward on The Third Secret of Fatima. It told about the Visit Father Augustine had with Sister Lucia and about the terrible things that are going to happen if people dont change their lives. What was told is very scary. The forward said that we need to send the message to all our family and friends or we will be held resonsible for their Souls. What I am trying to figure out is is that some persons feelings or did Our Blessed Lady tell that to three three children and did Lucia tell it to Father? The reason I am asking is that they are saying these disasters will happen before 2012. The bad part about saying that is that if it does not happen and people who read it say next year will feel that it has no merit and Souls could be lost. I am also wondering why the church is not saying more about it to try and get people back to the church or are the Bishops still waiting for more information from Rome?

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Before pursuing such an issue, would it not be pertinent to ask why the Church has suppressed the information?

Why speculate about something which the Pope and the Cardinals have already decided you are not to be trusted with?

Same principle applies to UFOs, and the suppression of interesting information by governments— not simply one government— but a worldwide collusion of them.

Face the facts, folks. Your leaders think you are stupid. And if you support them, you might eventually figure out why.
 
I found reading this link very up setting. Read it a few times and will read it again but need some time before I can try once more…I am detecting problems with an event which I believe is authentic. Usually if I detect problems, there are problems…this is most un-settling… I am very very dis-appointed…/…Will try to read it through again, there are issues with respects to how this is written-handled which appear to present an excuse style approach…
.Other overly emphasized explanations together with wording imply on hand questionable information with respects to authenticity which is known yet shielded…
this is prob the most bothersome note Ive ever read relative to the vatican…i will try to read it again, but… there are problems here.and I’ll have to force myself to get through the
memo…will give it a day or two,
 
I found reading this link very up setting. Read it a few times and will read it again but need some time before I can try once more…I am detecting problems with an event which I believe is authentic. Usually if I detect problems, there are problems…this is most un-settling… I am very very dis-appointed…/…Will try to read it through again, there are issues with respects to how this is written-handled which appear to present an excuse style approach…
.Other overly emphasized explanations together with wording imply on hand questionable information with respects to authenticity which is known yet shielded…
this is prob the most bothersome note Ive ever read relative to the vatican…i will try to read it again, but… there are problems here.and I’ll have to force myself to get through the
memo…will give it a day or two,
What do you mean by detecting problems?
 
What do you mean by detecting problems?
Thanks…what I mean is explained in the following sentences of post your quoting…
In order tol explain in detail, I will need to read it a few more times and be mindful of the source of information, allowing full respect and so forth ,So thats going to take a little time…I think I will need 3-5 days…not to write or explain, but to make sure I’m comfortable with exactly what is bothering me…that usually means 2-3 nights sleeping…thats how I sort out things of this nature… in sleep and time
 
What do you mean by detecting problems?
Here are my confusions: Part a)
  1. The Secret, containing three parts were only secrets we learn relative to Sister Lucia’s
    and advisor’s wishes. She entrusted the content to the Pope for interpetation-administration…However, she provides a long interpretation herself and comments the following…
"Since we did not heed this appeal of the Message, we see that it has been fulfilled, Russia has invaded the world with her errors. And if we have not yet seen the complete fulfillment of the final part of this prophecy, we are going towards it little by little with great strides. If we do not reject the path of sin, hatred, revenge, injustice, violations of the rights of the human person, immorality and violence, etc.
And let us not say that it is God who is punishing us in this way; on the contrary it is people themselves who are preparing their own punishment. In his kindness God warns us and calls us to the right path, while respecting the freedom he has given us; hence people are responsible”

Vatican rep Cardinal R reports…

Allow me to add here a personal recollection: in a conversation with me Sister Lucia said that it appeared ever more clearly to her that the purpose of all the apparitions was to help people to grow more and more in faith, hope and love—everything else was intended to lead to this.

FS question:

If above is true, why was the document kept a secret? The involvement pertains to society’s behavior in every way, including the theme in penance in the third part of the secret… The secret explains consequence, why was this information kept from man who is obviously the principal player.? Even if Sister Lucia felt it best in the hands of the Pope…why did the Popes keep this information to themselves?

Moreover…Archbishop Bertone asked: “Why only after 1960? Was it Our Lady who fixed that date?” Sister Lucia replied: “It was not Our Lady. I fixed the date because I had the intuition that before 1960 it would not be understood, but that only later would it be understood. Now it can be better understood. I wrote down what I saw; however it was not for me to interpret it, but for the Pope…

FS continuing
Above is confusing because the emphasis is on the behavior on man, not the hopefully
un-necessary consequence’s. So how could understanding be an issue or a deciding factor? (whats not to understand for man in "Penance Penance Penance…in the third part of secret? All of which the human race is subject to with seen potentiality in consequence…

To continue…
 
Part b)

Pope John XXIII on 17 August 1959. “After some hesitation”, His Holiness said: “We shall wait. I shall pray. I shall let you know what I decide”.In fact Pope John XXIII decided to return the sealed envelope to the Holy Office and not to reveal the third part of the “secret”.

Paul VI read the contents with the Substitute, Archbishop Angelo Dell’Acqua, on 27 March 1965, and returned the envelope to the Archives of the Holy Office, deciding not to publish the text.

John Paul II, for his part, asked for the envelope containing the third part of the “secret” following the assassination attempt on 13 May 1981.
As is well known, Pope John Paul II immediately thought of consecrating the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary and he himself composed a prayer for what he called an “Act of Entrustment”,

FS Question:

As we see it is not until Pope John Paul II has an attempt on his life that the third part of the secret is requested and thought of the above “Act of Entrustment”
  1. Why would the Honorable Pope not request the secret documentation immediately once becoming the Pope?
  2. Why did the previous Popes not initiate an “Act of Entrustment” as they read the secret as well. ?
In further confusion Sister Lucia confirms that the "Act of Entrustment: satisfies Our Lady’s wish with respects to the Fatima event. This explains that the previous Popes who read the secret may have not recognized the necessity, why then if the action was affirmed by Sister Lucia, did a communication not take place to satisfy the request at Fatima?
  1. Here we learn From the Vatican the nature of revelation re Fatima:
A film of an irrevocably fixed future. Its meaning is exactly the opposite: it is meant to mobilize the forces of change in the right direction. Therefore we must totally discount fatalistic explanations of the “secret”, such as, for example, the claim that the would-be assassin of 13 May 1981 was merely an instrument of the divine plan

FS Question:

The bullet we learn from the assassination attempt was placed in the crown of the statue, Our Lady of Fatima…we also see the following reports…which appear to contradict above analogy of the vision charactorization…

Vatican Statement…The events to which the third part of the ‘secret’ of Fatima refers now seem part of the past”. Insofar as individual events are described, they belong to the past.

These two paragraphs above do not comply with the said nature of revelation in 3) above…

Clearly the Vatican is referencing the assassination attempt, together with the Fatima third secret yet contradicting in 3) above. It also seems confusing in assumption relative to
the whole matter being referred to as the “past” This also contradicts explained nature of time synthesizing and compressing in apparitions…( this can be found in the work from Vatican we are speaking to.
  1. Here we learn…
The concluding part of the “secret” uses images which Lucia may have seen in devotional books and which draw their inspiration from long-standing intuitions of faith. It is a consoling vision, which seeks to open a history of blood and tears to the healing power of God.

FS Question

If the “secret” uses images from the history of the mind, then how can we know the information cannot also be from the history of the mind…how then is imagery accessible any different then idea’s accesible…? IOW…if the imagination is being used, why would there be a limitation re already set mindful understandings… interfering with what we are trying to understand? This translation of suggested occurrence seems to somewhat diminish the full meaning in authenticity… I think this is enough for now. Thankyou
 
Well I guess I’ll have to comment on my own comment, just like what I have to do anyway.
…not in the mood right now and have a few things to do, theres no such thing as something that cannot be understood
 
I’m in deliberation as to how I’m going to comment, relative to the general participating “incentive” in the minds throughout this forum. Honesty is best & interestingly seldom received as sincere and fair, towards truth
There are two issues, I could answer immediately, but will weight it out over the next few days
 
I’m in deliberation as to how I’m going to comment, relative to the general participating “incentive” in the minds throughout this forum. Honesty is best & interestingly seldom received as sincere and fair, towards truth
There are two issues, I could answer immediately, but will weight it out over the next few days
There’s a big thread on Fatima, it’s like recently, we had a lot of Fatima threads, maybe folks are just worn out. Why don’t you check this out and see if you find some of the same kinds of questions you have? forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=590467
 
There’s a big thread on Fatima, it’s like recently, we had a lot of Fatima threads, maybe folks are just worn out. Why don’t you check this out and see if you find some of the same kinds of questions you have? forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=590467
Thanks Julia and read the thread last night…I think theres room for a meaningful perspective and am thinking on all carefully, with patience. Will make an entry in a couple of days or so.
 
Some time back a friend of mine sent me a forward on The Third
Antrim
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I think this is a good question . Above among other things its noticed that your inquiring about the responsibility we have for our neighbors soul. Christianity is all about caring for others including their spiritual well being or state of the soul. Man learns and grows through the example of giving without an expectation in return .The wholesome act suggests meaning in life which is separate from fear, separate from material gain, bringing man further together in unity.

These wholesome intentions, hopes and acts detach ourselves from becoming inordinately self consumed in an existence which is in-complete by its social nature. Peace in meaningful contribution is then allowed in our being. Peace is the initiative in Christianity.
Christianity is all about living in conformity within our given nature unity… Unity is joyful.

Unity is only possible if we recognize others who make up our given social environment. If we fail to contribute through the example of patience and hope for their true joy, we interrupt the
progress of others by the example of hopelessness.

So its not really a responsibility, its a resonance from inside which cannot ignore the difficulties in others. The example in hope for the best in well being-joy for others suggests that well being is truly possible as it shown to be a reality.

The faith teaches praying on behalf and for others, is also well recognized as true care and very virtuous.

It is the example in hopelessness and thoughtlessness that interrupts sharing and caring which propagates dismay and lack of hope in others for meaning .Without meaning in life the soul struggles to recognize itself.

Positive good natured and wholesome inner thoughts toward others is necessary and will naturally “open the door”. Yes its always difficult . We learn by example but must be wise if possible and realize people go through stages themselves in order to , do their best.

So then, its our responsibility to keep from shutting the door at others. Shutting the door saddens the heart as it knows the soul requires the natural exchange in caring and sharing toward unity. Its very simple, If we care, we will share. The key is to see these concepts in our neighbor as an opportunity to express yourself. Express fortitude in keeping to what is natural rather then giving up . Its all about all of us learning from each others example, home, friends, community, strangers, country, world.

So, I believe unity , thoughtfulness and genuine care for others is part of the message you are speaking to. We come to learn from Fatima, “Pray for many souls as some have no one to pray for them” Compassion, care, be involved with the dynamics of our fellow human being and his or her true joy in sanctification of being.

As you know evaluating a persons inner most state of the soul is not only ridiculous by virtue of not being God the creator, it is not allowed within a good loving faith for it. Behavior and tendencies are without question a different matter. We are learners and need example in order to enable reflective reasoning in consciousness. Judging others in this absolute sense also inhibits our willingness to share, inhibiting ourselves.

The Fatima event is without question a highly profound event in history. Intense dim evaluation with regards to known Papal deliberation and effort in this highly profound subject of Fatima, would in fact, comprise an absolute measure in judgement… of the inner most state of the soul.

The very idea of responsibility in doing and preforming on behalf of the entire world with required deliberation in translation of an apparition, could not be imagined unless experienced, not to mention data which may be missing for ready comprehension.

As long as man has weapons of mass destruction, man is subject to the effort of these so called tools. These tools express the negative anti-unity potential in man, Had these tools existed throughout the ages, man would have also lived in certain fear. The message of Fatima is clear. Unity.

We will always strive toward unity , failing and picking up the pieces. Maybe with the inspiration of Our Lady of Fatima we can go forward applying unity in our every day lives, allowing for eventual global unity in some reflective manner. Reflecting the care and thoughtfulness for the many souls as graciously suggested and not forced I might add, by the Mother of God himself.

I think intelligent letters to the Vatican with confusions or talks on a good forum such as this are mature if so required…Amassing the general public with TV shows or web sites is a strike at another’s soul excluding self from peace .

Man must earn peace, there are no magic buttons. The miracle is in the patience of being told… Told to toddlers where translation is necessary. The world happenings will always express the amount of thoughtfulness in the world. The future will also remain subject to this condition. All that matters in the individual conscience is a good effort in the Fatima remedy, unity. With it comes peace & what was intended. What was intended I believe is for each human life to flourish, granting a humanity in the natural and intended… otherwise we would not of had all this help toward fullness in life for each, allowing for all. We must be positive in order to egage our best
 
Not bumping the thread, just wanted to understand something isn’t mis-interpreted from last.

When its mentioned man must earn peace there are no buttons to press, I’m not suggesting in any way these virtuous requests of consecration to Russia and so on are in any way un-important and very serious, Just making note of the reality of mans nature in what the usual tends to be… something not.earned is something not appreciated and most often lost. Anyway from what we understand this has been fully attended to and the topic is positive for its own reasons of hope and inspiration.
 
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