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itsjustdave1988:
Yes, the Church called these spiritually mature christians, bishops. They were the superiors in the Church and God’s word according to Heb 13:17 demanded obedience to these bishops. To do otherwise is the sin of Korah’s rebellion (Num 16) warned against by St. Jude (Jude 11).
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From St Ignatius of Antioch’s Epistle to the Smyraeans

**CHAPTER VIII.–LET NOTHING BE DONE WITHOUT THE BISHOP. **See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is[administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.
 
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SPOKENWORD:
How about 2 Timothy3;16 All Scripture is God breathed,and is useful for teaching,rebuking,correcting,and trainning in rightiousness,so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. Thats good enough for me!!!👍 God Bless
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Hm…this verse seems to me to say “Scripture can be used for TEACHING, REBUKING, CORRECTING, and TRAINING…which will make the man of God thoroughly equipted.”
It is the actions used with Scripture (a la Oral teaching) that makes us equipted, not just Scripture, but the authority coupled with it.
I don’t know if this is off-target for this thread, but does anybody see any irony when people who espouse sola Scriptura, which is nearly always paired with the doctrine of justification by faith alone (thus rejecting the idea that works play any role in our salvation), cite this scripture which tells us that we will be “equipped for every good work?”
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That’s very interesting too…almost as if to say Scripture is useful to point us in the right direction for doing the good works which prove our faith… : :o
 
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Catholic4aReasn:
True enough, but you weren’t offering 1 Tim as proof that scripture is enough for us to be fully equipped to live as Christians, you were offering it to address the OP.

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
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Why do we bother to argue? I mean, that is the Protestant stance and they will not waver from that position. Here is what is written in the “Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma” by Dr. Ludwig Ott: “As against the reproach of intolerance a distinction must be mae between dogmatic and civil tolerance. The Church rejects the dogmatic tolerance which would concede the same power of justification and the same value to all religions, or to all Christian confessions (Indifferentism); for there is only one truth. But the Church recognises the propriety of civil tolerance, by preaching the commandment of neighbourly charity towards all men, even those in error. CF. the prayers of the Liturgy on Good Friday.”
 
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mercygate:
I don’t know if this is off-target for this thread, but does anybody see any irony when people who espouse sola *Scriptura, *which is nearly always paired with the doctrine of justification by faith *alone (*thus rejecting the idea that works play any role in our salvation), cite this scripture which tells us that we will be "equipped for every good work?"
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I must admit that particular piece of irony had escaped me. Thanks for pointing it out!

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
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jim1130:
Why do we bother to argue? I mean, that is the Protestant stance and they will not waver from that position. Here is what is written in the “Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma” by Dr. Ludwig Ott: “As against the reproach of intolerance a distinction must be mae between dogmatic and civil tolerance. The Church rejects the dogmatic tolerance which would concede the same power of justification and the same value to all religions, or to all Christian confessions (Indifferentism); for there is only one truth. But the Church recognises the propriety of civil tolerance, by preaching the commandment of neighbourly charity towards all men, even those in error. CF. the prayers of the Liturgy on Good Friday.”
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I really more saw a discussion here rather than an argument. Perhaps “argument” is in the eye of the beholder? 🙂

In Christ,
Nancy 🙂
 
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