This is my CHOSEN Son

[K-McD]

I’m looking for the actual word Luke uses in this scripture passage. It’s found in Luke, 9:35, where God the Father speaks to Peter, James, and John from the cloud and says, “This is my chosen Son; listen to Him” Does the scripture use the word chosen or is this a bad translation?

The reason is the word implies that God the Father has more than one Son and Christ is His best. I know that’s not true, but I’m looking for the original word Luke uses.

Any help?

 

[Leticia]

My translation says "Then from the cloud came a coice that said, ‘This is my Son, my chosen; listen to him!’

 

[Spencerian]

I’m looking for the actual word Luke uses in this scripture passage. It’s found in Luke, 9:35, where God the Father speaks to Peter, James, and John from the cloud and says, “This is my chosen Son; listen to Him” Does the scripture use the word chosen or is this a bad translation?

The reason is the word implies that God the Father has more than one Son and Christ is His best. I know that’s not true, but I’m looking for the original word Luke uses.

Any help?

Hi, there.

The result depends on your Bible and its translation.

Here are some translations I’ve found and their sources.

New American Bible: *“Then from the cloud came a voice that said, ‘This is my chosen Son; listen to him.’”
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Douay-Rheims: “And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, ‘This is my beloved Son; hear him.’”
Direct Greek translation (unverified as to the website’s faith leanings): “And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son: hear him.”

I don’t have a RSV-CE for an additional comparison, but it seems that some have used “chosen” but “beloved” is more accurate in translation.

 

[Leticia]

35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: This is my beloved Son; hear him. (from the Douay Rheims translation) My other translation above was from the RSV CE

 

[ryanoneil]

The RSV uses “chosen” and the footnote says: The Father’s words echo:

Here is my servant whom I uphold, my chosen one with whom I am pleased, Upon whom I have put my spirit; he shall bring forth justice to the nations (Is 42:1)

 

[Spencerian]

The RSV uses “chosen” and the footnote says: The Father’s words echo:

Here is my servant whom I uphold, my chosen one with whom I am pleased, Upon whom I have put my spirit; he shall bring forth justice to the nations (Is 42:1)

Wow. We need a priest to break the “tie!”

I get the impression that “chosen” does have a significance but from a Jewish point of view, perhaps. “Beloved” rings more true but I don’t know if that’s just me.

 

[ryanoneil]

Wow. We need a priest to break the “tie!”

I get the impression that “chosen” does have a significance but from a Jewish point of view, perhaps. “Beloved” rings more true but I don’t know if that’s just me.

It should be significant from a Jewish perspective because Jesus is the fullness of Israel and the son of David (God called them son also).

Here is my servant whom I uphold, my chosen one with whom I am pleased, Upon whom I have put my spirit; he shall bring forth justice to the nations, Not crying out, not shouting, not making his voice heard in the street. A bruised reed he shall not break, and a smoldering wick he shall not quench, Until he establishes justice on the earth; the coastlands will wait for his teaching. Thus says God, the LORD, who created the heavens and stretched them out, who spreads out the earth with its crops, Who gives breath to its people and spirit to those who walk on it: I, the LORD, have called you for the victory of justice, I have grasped you by the hand; I formed you, and set you as a covenant of the people, a light for the nations, To open the eyes of the blind, to bring out prisoners from confinement, and from the dungeon, those who live in darkness. (Is 42:1-7)

Do you see how Christ’s glory is being revealed during the Transfiguration, to offset the shock of the suffering servant prediction he had just made in (9:22)?

Do you see how Jesus is the New Covenant of the people?

 

[PJM]

=K-McD;6325136]I’m looking for the actual word Luke uses in this scripture passage. It’s found in Luke, 9:35, where God the Father speaks to Peter, James, and John from the cloud and says, “This is my chosen Son; listen to Him” Does the scripture use the word chosen or is this a bad translation?

The reason is the word implies that God the Father has more than one Son and Christ is His best. I know that’s not true, but I’m looking for the original word Luke uses.

Any help?

The RSV Bible:

"Luke.9:35 And a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, my Chosen; listen to him!”

The Vulgate and Douey-Rheims

DR: “9 35 And a voice came out of the cloud; saying: This is my beloved son. Hear him.”

Vulgate: “et vox facta est de nube dicens hic est Filius meus electus ipsum audite”

From Haydock’s Catholic Commentary

Ver. 35. And a voice, &c. This is the voice of the Father from the cloud, as if he should say, “I call him not one of my sons, but my true and natural Son, to the resemblance of whom all others are adopted. (St. Cyril) — Not Elias, not Moses, but he whom you see alone, is my beloved Son. (St. Ambrose) — Therefore, it is added: and when the voice was heard, Jesus was alone, lest any one should imagine these words, This is my beloved Son, were addressed to Moses or Elias.” (Theophylactus)

From STRONGS CONCORDENCE {Greek and Hebrew} Ne Arican Bible uses "Chosen"

Strong’s Number: 1586
Original Word Word Origin
eklegomai middle voice from (1537) and (3004) (in its primary sense)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
Eklegomai 4:144,505
Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech
ek-leg’-om-ahee

**Definition: **
"to pick out, choose, to pick or choose out for one’s self
choosing one out of many, i.e. Jesus choosing his disciples
choosing one for an office of God choosing whom he judged fit to receive his favours and separated from the rest of mankind to be peculiarly his own and to be attended continually by his gracious oversight i.e. the Israelites of God the Father choosing Christians, as those whom he set apart from the irreligious multitude as dear unto himself, and whom he has rendered, through faith in Christ, citizens in the Messianic kingdom: (James 2:so that the ground of the choice lies in Christ and his merits only "

I am of the opinion that “Beloved” is a more accurate and better choice of words on the grounds that there is but ONE GOD, who makes Himself present in the forms of Father;Son and Holy Spirit. The “choice” of ONE person, must be the “choice” of All. Therefore “Beloved” seems to be a better and more likely choice.

Hope this helps?

Love and prayers,
Pat

 

[John7]

Variant issue:

ἐκλελεγμένος / eklelegmenos = ‘elected/chosen’ this variant is found in older manuscripts. Westcott-Hort, NA27/UBS4 use it.

but
Stephanus Received Text (KJV based on) uses variant αγαπητος / agapetos = ‘beloved’

 

[NHInsider]

“Chosen” doesn’t necessitate their being others any more than “First-born” necessitates that there be siblings. They are terms that echo God’s relationship with Israel, which was, among other things, a type of His relationship with Jesus.

 

[K-McD]

“Chosen” doesn’t necessitate their being others any more than “First-born” necessitates that there be siblings. They are terms that echo God’s relationship with Israel, which was, among other things, a type of His relationship with Jesus.

That’s true with careful study, but in today’s language, its implied. I believe that’s why non-Catholics have a knee-jerk reaction to “first born” phrase. Its a reaction from their misunderstanding which a careful study would remedy. I think the use of the word, “beloved” is a better translation, but I’m not a scripture scholar with a knowledge of the different languages. I’m only going on the past experiences of the bad translations from the Greek, Hebrew, etc into English.

Thanks all for your (name removed by moderator)ut.

 

[PJM]

=John7;6326907]Variant issue:

ἐκλελεγμένος / eklelegmenos = ‘elected/chosen’ this variant is found in older manuscripts. Westcott-Hort, NA27/UBS4 use it.

but
Stephanus Received Text (KJV based on) uses variant αγαπητος / agapetos = ‘beloved’

Thank you so very much!

***I was not aware that there were [are] more than a single KJB translation:blush:

Is there a way to identfy the orginal text? Kinda like the DR?

Again many thanks.

Can I PM you if I have other Greek questions?

Love and prayers,
Pat ***