This question more than anything else is making me doubt Catholic philosophy

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How can Thomists explain animals that have the ability to communicate/convey rational concepts (search “koko the gorilla” on youtube)?

Isn’t rationality/intelligence the thing that’s supposed to differenciate us between animals?
 
How is this even a stumbling block?
God can create animals any way He likes.
Just because a gorilla is smarter than an earthworm doesn’t disprove God in any way.

But there are things we do that animals don’t. Like keep pets, and season food, and create new materials and engage in commerce, or write anything down.

Of course, animals don’t engage in flame wars on the internet, so maybe they are smarter than us.
 
How can Thomists explain animals that have the ability to communicate/convey rational concepts (search “koko the gorilla” on youtube)?

Isn’t rationality/intelligence the thing that’s supposed to differenciate us between animals?
My college professor in a human evolution elective wasn’t Christian and she was highly skeptical of Koko’s linguistic ability even as my 18 year old self was enthralled with it. So it’s not just a Thomist or Christian thing.

Koko’s learned associations between a large (for an animal) number of symbols and a human response. This isn’t the same as grasping rational language or concepts in a universal sense.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-44576449

A lot of situations like this don’t involve the animal really initiating a conversation, either. The animal responds to prompts from humans. Even situations with two primates that know some symbols don’t involve the non-human primates communicating with each other with those symbols. Just with humans, typically when prompted.
 
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I can teach my dog to shake, my dog does not cease being a dog.
 
How can Thomists explain animals that have the ability to communicate/convey rational concepts (search “koko the gorilla” on youtube)?

Isn’t rationality/intelligence the thing that’s supposed to differenciate us between animals?
Remember that humans have a soul, and culpability for sin and capacity for merit is based upon the use of reason (for moral discernment) which is not developed in every conceived soul and is estimated as normally attained at age seven.
 
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Also remember something very important. Animals that display abnormal communication skills or intelligence almost always do so because of contact with humans. Dogs that live around humans often display significantly more personality and problem solving skills. Apes that live around humans often display more advanced communication skills, and in the case of Koko appear to be able to hold a conversation. This is not evidence that they somehow have souls. It might indicate that those we are close to are somehow sharing in or otherwise being uplifted by the presence of our souls.

Adam and Eve were given dominion over the animals, and it’s not unreasonable to think that involves more than just who lives and dies.
 
clue: koko wouldn’t do this in a natural (wild) environment. It is humans that conditioned (taught) him to do this. Therefore it doesn’t prove anything.
 
I had thought rationality was unique to humans myself. I too was mistaken 😦
 
Hello,
I think that this video from Fr. Robert Spitzer could help a lot with that. In the first part he discusses the things you’ve mentioned

 
Isn’t rationality/intelligence the thing that’s supposed to differenciate us between animals?
All living things have a soul. A soul is simply the unifying principle of the activity Inside of a living thing—thus even plants have a soul. But what separates the soul of a man from that of an animal, is that man has a spiritual (rational) soul which is eternal. A gorilla does not know the difference between good and evil, thus it cannot grasp realities such as truth, faith, hope, charity, forgiveness, repentance, etc. Thus you will never find a gorilla organizing and understanding the concept of building hospitals for the benefit of other animals; you will however find a gorilla in a zoo being taken care of by human beings. Humans are made in the image and likeness of God—meaning that we have an intellect for truth, and a will for goodness and love. An animal could never be a murderer, being that they do not know the difference between right and wrong.
 
It’s similar to a computer which responds to certain commands without actually knowing what it is doing.
 
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Isn’t rationality/intelligence the thing that’s supposed to differenciate us between animals?
Rationality is a necessary trait of humanity. It is not, however, an exclusive trait.
Certainly. The angels also have it. 😉
 
clue: koko wouldn’t do this in a natural (wild) environment. It is humans that conditioned (taught) him to do this. Therefore it doesn’t prove anything.
Communication is not an exclusively human trait. Birds, for instance, communicate specific feature of threats (Birds could warn each other of a red headed man, for instance). Such specific details are communicated without human training or intervention.

All social species have some innate ability to communicate. That humans can train them to understand human language does not means this is not part of their nature. Dogs for instance, can understand basic English sentences. They can interpret novel sentences, not just rote commands. You could teach a dog that an object is call “shoe”, and if the dog was already taught the verbs “bring” or “take”, you could later ask the dog to “bring me the shoe” or to “take the shoe to Abby”.

Given a capacity for learning language, it is not surprising that a higher order animal such as an ape could express “I love kitty”. Parrots, too, have even also been shown to produce similar semantically valid sentences in spoken human language!

What this proves, however, is only that many so-called human traits are properties we share with animals. Christ actually addresses this, when he tells us it is not enough to “love thy neighbor and to hate thy enemy” but rather to “love thy enemy”.

It is merely an extension of our base instincts to love those who are friendly. It is the mark of a rational soul to love all that is worthy of being loved, even when that love is against our short term interest. The rational soul understands that has an immortal character, and must treat others in a manner consistent with eternal coexistence.
 
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How can Thomists explain animals that have the ability to communicate/convey rational concepts (search “koko the gorilla” on youtube)?
As a point regarding your thread title, Thomism is not the only school of Catholic philosophy. Even if Thomism couldn’t answer your question, that would in no way disprove the entirety of Catholic philosophy.
 
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I’m so very glad that you liked the video.
For anyone interested in this topic, it would be very helpful to listen to Fr. Spitzer’s video above starting at 7 minutes in.
(From Timestamp 7:00 to 21:00)
 
We don’t have to look far on our family tree to find other humans who were clearly rational (tool-making etc.). It is also possible to do a thought experiment in which, by using and changing human genes a new species is created: rational but not human.

Now it’s probably true that there are few people less Thomist than I am but even for me I can see that neither of these things invalidates anything Thomas said. Presented with such new facts he would either say ‘I don’t know, yet’ or 'my logic applied to humans applies here too. Only he would take several volumes to say it.
 
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