This scripture scares me

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hello all,

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Heb 6:4-6)

this scripture scares me because it seems like lately i have been away from the lord… and doing sinful thing… i am scared of this scripture and do not want my eternal salvation lost
 
hello all,

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Heb 6:4-6)

this scripture scares me because it seems like lately i have been away from the lord… and doing sinful thing… i am scared of this scripture and do not want my eternal salvation lost
Taking that Scripture passage in an inflexibly literal manner represents a misinterpretation that one would expect to see proposed by the adherents of Novatianism–a heresy of the mid-third century.

Christ is always ready to forgive the sins of a sincerely contrite soul. Thanks be to God.
 
It is a very spritual passage, sort of Eastern, as opposed to Western.

It speaks of several things such as enlightenment, tasting the gift of God, partaking the holy spirit and even tasting the word of God.

Tasting and partaking…

Some of the early mystics wrote this way, about having knowledge of God. Knowledge was not informaiton, or book knowledge, but having an experiential knowledge, like intimate friends who know each other well, or how lovers know each other. This intimate experience of God impresses itself in the memory and this memory is something one can draw on, almost as if one can remember the taste of something. have a look at the first paragraph of the wikipedia article on the word nous.

Nous: sometimes equated to intellect or intelligence, is a philosophical term for the faculty of the human mind which is described in classical philosophy as necessary for understanding what is true or real, similar in meaning to intuition. It is also often described as a form of perception which works within the mind (“the mind’s eye”), rather than only through the physical senses.

The passage speaks of partaking, and tasting the gifts of the holy spirit - contemplative prayer perhaps, or the profound experience of being in God’s presence, and even of how God’s word in the scriptures can have a profound effect on us spiritually, of developing an intuitive understanding of God through experience, like husband and wife who live together for so long that they can complete each other’s sentances.

You are not the first one to post here about this passage. Rest assured that there is always a second chance with God. And a third. And a fourth. But the more mature we are as Christians, and the further along we are in knowing and experiencing God, the harder it becomes to repent and get back to should we fall away. I pray every single day, “God, hold me close. Never let me go” because I don’t want that to happen to me.

Peter speaks this way.

***His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him *who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature. (2 Peter 1:3-4)

Its a profound knowledge, or gnosis of God, through a very real experience, in which we become absolutely sure of His existence beyond a shadow of a doubt, and through which we become more like him. The Eastern Catholic Churches call it divinization. Peter says that we become, “Partakers in his divine nature.” And the further along this road we go, the harder it is to get back should we fall away. That is why we have to pray constantly, and repent constantly.

-Tim-
 
thank you guys, i am happy to have read such scripture because i am feeling contrite and want to change my life around
 
thank you guys, i am happy to have read such scripture because i am feeling contrite and want to change my life around
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Here’s a Scripture passage from chapter one of John’s first letter that should put the troubling citation (in the opening post) into perspective:

[5] This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light and in him is no darkness at all.
[6] If we say we have fellowship with him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not live according to the truth;
[7] but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.
[8] If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[10] If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
 
So why would it be harder to come to repentance should someone fall away?
 
I don’t think this scripture is necessarily talking about the ups and downs one experiences in their normal faith life, even if somebody may be in a particularly sinful period of their life or perhaps not attending Mass as they should. It seems to me that this scripture is speaking about an incredibly deep rejection of God and his Church which makes coming back a virtual impossibility.

I believe I read one commentator that said that this is what is meant by “blaspheming the Holy Spirit.”

ChadS
 
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hello all,

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Heb 6:4-6)

this scripture scares me because it seems like lately i have been away from the lord… and doing sinful thing… i am scared of this scripture and do not want my eternal salvation lost
D-R Bible, Haydock Commentary:

Ver. 4. &c. For it is impossible,[1] &c. This is an obscure place, differently expounded, which shows how rash it is for the ignorant to pretend to understand the holy Scriptures. Many understand these words, it is impossible, &c. of the sacrament of penance, or of returning to God by a profitable repentance, especially after such heinous sins as an apostacy from the true faith. But then we must take the word impossible, to imply no more than a thing that is very hard to be done, or that seldom happens, as when it is said, (Matthew xix. 26.) that it is impossible for rich men to be saved: and (Luke xvii. 1.) it is impossible that scandals should not come. For it is certain that it is never impossible for the greatest sinners to repent by the assistance which God offers them, who has also left the power to his ministers to forgive in his name the greatest sins. But others (whose interpretation seems preferable) expound this of baptism, which can only be given once. The words here in the text very much favour this exposition, when it is said, who were once enlightened. For baptism in the first ages was called the sacrament of illumination. See St. Denis de cælesti Hierar. chap. iv.; St. Gregory of Nazianzus; &c. The following words also agree with baptism, when they are said to have been made partakers of the Holy Ghost; to have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come; all which signify the interior graces, the miraculous gifts, and power of working miracles, which they who were baptized frequently received in those days. — They cannot be renewed again unto penance. That is, they cannot be renewed again by baptism, which is also called a renovation. (Titus iii. 5.) Their sins may indeed be forgiven them in the sacrament of penance, but this is not a renovation like that in baptism, in which both the guilt, and all pain due to past sins, is remitted; whereas in the sacrament of penance, though the guilt, and the eternal punishments due to sins be remitted, yet many times, temporal punishments, to be undergone either in this world or the next, still remain due to such as have been great sinners, to them who by relapsing into the same sins, have crucified again to themselves the Son of God, making a mockery of him; i.e. who, insensible of the favours received, have ungratefully renewed sin; to take away which Christ suffered, was mocked, crucified, &c. (Witham) — Macknight observes that Beza, without any authority from ancient manuscripts hath inserted in his version Si, If they shall fall away, that this text might not appear to contradict the Calvinistic doctrine of the assurance of salvation. The English translators have followed Beza. The biblical student will be glad to find Dr. Wells, in his elegant edition of the New Testament, frequently restoring and preferring those readings which agree with the Latin Vulgate. The same just tribute is paid to the Vulgate by Walton, Mills, Gerard, Griesbach, Harwood, and others. Indeed the Vulgate has been declared authentic in a general council, and probably expresses more of the true reading of the original or autograph, than any Greek edition that is now to be found, and certainly much more than modern versions, which are stained more or less by the preconceived sentiments of the translators. — For the earth that drinketh in the rain, &c. He bringeth this comparison, to give them a horror of abusing God’s graces and favours, and of making themselves guilty of hell fire. (Witham)
 
thank you guys, i am happy to have read such scripture because i am feeling contrite and want to change my life around
“I tell you, there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance.” Luke 15:7
 
thank you guys, i am happy to have read such scripture because i am feeling contrite and want to change my life around
That’s wonderful!👍
If you’re Catholic, a good confession should fix you up!
 
hello all,

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Heb 6:4-6)

this scripture scares me because it seems like lately i have been away from the lord… and doing sinful thing… i am scared of this scripture and do not want my eternal salvation lost
…you do not own Eternal Salvation… it is Jesus Who is the Resurrection and the Life… His Command is that you (the Believer) abide in Him so that He may Abide in you… that’s your Salvation!

…once we come to Jesus and we know Him as He is Revealed through the Holy Scriptures and by His Church… we cannot become ignorant as the nonBelievers… check this passage:
4 Or are you not disregarding his abundant goodness, tolerance and patience, failing to realise that this generosity of God is meant to bring you to repentance? 5 Your stubborn refusal to repent is only storing up retribution for yourself on that Day of retribution when God’s just verdicts will be made known. 6 He will repay everyone as their deeds deserve. 7 For those who aimed for glory and honour and immortality by persevering in doing good, there will be eternal life; 8 but for those who out of jealousy have taken for their guide not truth but injustice, there will be the fury of retribution. 9 Trouble and distress will come to every human being who does evil – Jews first, but Greeks as well; 10 glory and honour and peace will come to everyone who does good – Jews first, but Greeks as well. 11 There is no favouritism with God.

28 Being a Jew is not only having the outward appearance of a Jew, and circumcision is not only a visible physical operation. 29 The real Jew is the one who is inwardly a Jew, and real circumcision is in the heart, a thing not of the letter but of the spirit. He may not be praised by any human being, but he will be praised by God. (Romans 2:4-11. 28-29)
…you see Scriptures are not there to scare us… Scriptures are there to inform us… we have a choice to make: Life, in Christ Jesus or not.

Once we know Christ we cannot claim ignorance of God’s Commandment and of God’s choice for us: we must choose Life: Christ!

Now, knowing Christ means that you made a conscious effort to give up the world and everything that if offers that is unrighteous and you have chosen to follow Christ and enjoy everything He offers us now and for Eternity… it is possible to return to a life of sin… but it is not possible to retain what Christ offers while rejecting His Authority and Will!

…as Scriptures tell us, we must come closer to God and He will come closer to us!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
So why would it be harder to come to repentance should someone fall away?
…God does not make it any harder… the individual does! The sinner, being aware of what is required of him/her, may refuse to give up the old practice/s or begin to see God’s Way as stringent and limiting… also, knowing what was gained when the unrighteous life was put away may cause the person to believe that he/she cannot merit forgiveness and thus engage a vicious cycle where God is to blame for any failures or lack of achievements… consider the person who is loan some money and while the opportunity to repay the debt presents itself the money is squandered and blame is placed on the lender–the debtor may go as far as attempting to turn others against his/her once benefactor…

Maran atha!

Angel
 
**So why would it be harder to come to repentance should someone fall away? **

I second the post immediately above.

I think it would be harder for a TRULY MATURE Christian who seriously falls away
into abject apostasy to repent
BECAUSE,
I think,
that to do so would first require, BECAUSE of having such a DEEP experiential
knowledge of a relationship with God,
such a person’s falling away so seriously would involve,
would HAVE to involve,
and INCREDIBLY hard to describe HARDENING of the heart to really fall that far.
The old saying “The Bigger they Are, the Harder They Fall” would seem to
apply here spiritually. If you really know God intimately, for some time, and
then absolutely apostasize, that would seem to indicate a hardening that
is so fatal that you, of your own accord, would never even want to apologize to
the Lord, let alone return to His full favor and blessing.
IMHO.
Love,
Jaypeeto4
 
hello all,

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. (Heb 6:4-6)

this scripture scares me because it seems like lately i have been away from the lord… and doing sinful thing… i am scared of this scripture and do not want my eternal salvation lost
Then follow the words of the Lord in the song…Come back to me with all your heart…
 
If you’re scared, then stop doing the things that are making you fearful.
 
Jimmy Akin recently did an excellent podcast on this very issue.

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This is the best I’ve ever heard. I’ve been troubled by this scripture for 35 years until now. Praise God, and thank you for this pod cast!
 
This is the best I’ve ever heard. I’ve been troubled by this scripture for 35 years until now. Praise God, and thank you for this pod cast!
That’s a heck of a long while to be “troubled” by anything–it’s about time you got some relief!
 
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