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This site claims to disprove the maccabees!...how would you respond?
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yochumjy
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godsent said:
It is not very well supported to say the least. Many claims are made and none substantiated.
Why does Jewish acceptance mean anything? Why do christians only need OT writings in Hebrew? Greek was ok for the NT.
Just because Maccabees has references that disprove the protestant thought process, does not mean it is in opposition to the rest of the bible.
A quick search on St. Jerome’s Latin Vulgate DOES include the Apocrypha.
Feel better?
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Gene_C
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Hi godsent,
The author speaks of Jewish thought as though all Jews agreed on the canon in the first century.
The Sadducees only believed in the first five books. The Pharisees believed in the Law and the Prophets plus oral tradition.
I wonder what he would say if you told him that most Jews in the first century prayed for the righteous dead? There were two schools of rabbinic thought, Shammai and Hillel. Both believed in offering prayers for the righteous dead for 11 months after they died. St. Paul was of the school of Hillel when he was a Pharisee. This fact makes 2 Timothy 1:18 very clear. St. Paul is praying for Onesiphorus, a Christian who has died. “May the Lord grant that he will find mercy from the Lord on that day! You know very well in how many ways he helped me in Ephesus.”
OK, I’m straying from the topic. Sorry.
Gene
The author speaks of Jewish thought as though all Jews agreed on the canon in the first century.
The Sadducees only believed in the first five books. The Pharisees believed in the Law and the Prophets plus oral tradition.
I wonder what he would say if you told him that most Jews in the first century prayed for the righteous dead? There were two schools of rabbinic thought, Shammai and Hillel. Both believed in offering prayers for the righteous dead for 11 months after they died. St. Paul was of the school of Hillel when he was a Pharisee. This fact makes 2 Timothy 1:18 very clear. St. Paul is praying for Onesiphorus, a Christian who has died. “May the Lord grant that he will find mercy from the Lord on that day! You know very well in how many ways he helped me in Ephesus.”
OK, I’m straying from the topic. Sorry.
Gene
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Genesis315
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My favorite part of that list is how they cite the Council of Jamnia. Now let’s think rationally: who would the Holy Spirit guide in determing the canon, a Christian council or an apostate Jewish council (I say apostate because they rejected their Messiah)? Hmmm, I wonder 
. I’ve even read (may or may not be true) that the council was conducted under the auspices of the Flavian Roman Emperors who didn’t want Maccabbees in there because it might inspire the Jews to revolt.
So basically Protestants use a canon compiled by apostates and pagans and Catholics use one compiled by Christians
Here’s a good article on the OT canon:
kensmen.com/catholic/septuagint.html
. I’ve even read (may or may not be true) that the council was conducted under the auspices of the Flavian Roman Emperors who didn’t want Maccabbees in there because it might inspire the Jews to revolt.So basically Protestants use a canon compiled by apostates and pagans and Catholics use one compiled by Christians
Here’s a good article on the OT canon:
kensmen.com/catholic/septuagint.html
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wisdom_3_5
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“The Jewish canon, or the Hebrew Bible, was universally received,”
There was no Jewish canon before 90 ad! The sadduces only accepted the pentateuch (1st 5 books of the bible). The pharasies didn’t have an established canon.
*Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament.
*Not true. The book Sirach has been found written in hebrew.
There was no Jewish canon before 90 ad! The sadduces only accepted the pentateuch (1st 5 books of the bible). The pharasies didn’t have an established canon.
*Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament.
*Not true. The book Sirach has been found written in hebrew.
*]It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation.
Ummm, where?
*Jerome vigorously resisted including the Apocrypha in his Latin Vulgate Version (400 AD), but was overruled. *
Yes, Jerome didn’t agree, but what of all the other Chruch Doctors, such as Augustine, who did? Jerome did accept the authority of the Church.
Many quotes in the new testament are taken from the deuterocanonicals. Check out this website:
scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html
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Psalm45_9
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wisdom 3:5:
matt1618.freeyellow.com/deut.html
Anti-Catholics really like to twist St. Jerome. His reasons for not accepting the Deuterocanonicals was becuase they would apologetically be useless against objections made by Jews. He did believe that they were inspired and he accepted the Church’s authority in the matter.
matt1618.freeyellow.com/deut.html
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Gottle_of_Geer
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godsent said:
If it unsettles you - dion’t read it
If it’s not unsettling, but you think (rightly or wrongly) that it’s wrong, and can see why: then it may be safe to read itIf it’s not unsettling, but you think (rightly or wrongly) that its wrong, and can’t see why: don’t touch it.
That’s my advice anyway
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JimG
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Maccabees was in the Septuagint.
And the Septuagint was a translation of the bible for Jews completed several hundred years before the coming of Christ! It was a Greek translation because many if not most Jews spoke Greek at the time. (even Palestinian Jews)
Later the Septuagint was used as the basis for the Latin Vulgate.
And the Septuagint was a translation of the bible for Jews completed several hundred years before the coming of Christ! It was a Greek translation because many if not most Jews spoke Greek at the time. (even Palestinian Jews)
Later the Septuagint was used as the basis for the Latin Vulgate.
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anawim
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Mark Shea gives a good answer to most of the objections on that site: envoymagazine.com/backissues/1.2/marapril_story2.html
BTW, they are wrong about the official canonization. It occured about 100 years earlier at the Council of Florence. Trent just declared it closed.
BTW, they are wrong about the official canonization. It occured about 100 years earlier at the Council of Florence. Trent just declared it closed.
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johnpaullover
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HOLD ON! REWIND!
The idea of 400-year silence is in direct contradiction with Daniel.
Daniel prophesied that between Sirus the Great released the Jewish people, there would be 400 years before the birth of the Messiah. But Ezra and some other prophets were still writing down prophesies from heaven during that time. Therefore, Daniel did not specify 400 years of silence, but just 400 years. There may have been a period where there were no prophets or revelations, but no 400 years
See how this all fits in?
The idea of 400-year silence is in direct contradiction with Daniel.
Daniel prophesied that between Sirus the Great released the Jewish people, there would be 400 years before the birth of the Messiah. But Ezra and some other prophets were still writing down prophesies from heaven during that time. Therefore, Daniel did not specify 400 years of silence, but just 400 years. There may have been a period where there were no prophets or revelations, but no 400 years
See how this all fits in?
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