Time of birth

[hlmem]

I was reading up in “catholisism for Dummies”, and I just had a simple question.

As we know the immaculate conception of Mary was in the begining of December.

Common births last nine months (CFD said this one did as well)

Then how was Jesus born lest than a month, or a year later?

What am I missing

Thank You in Advance

 

[LRThunder]

The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary’s conception, not Jesus’s. I believe that after Mary said yes at the Annunciation (celebrated in March), that was when Jesus was conceived. March is the appropriate number of months from December.

At least, I think that’s correct.

 

[decn2b]

You are correct LR thunder. Most Catholics and other christians often wrongly think that the IC is the conception of Jesus. That particular event is as you called it the annunciation. Which is one of the joyful mysteries of the the rosary.

 

[R_McGeddon]

The Immaculate Conception refers to Mary’s conception, not Jesus’s.

You mean Mary’s conception OF Jesus, surely?

I believe that after Mary said yes at the Annunciation (celebrated in March), that was when Jesus was conceived. March is the appropriate number of months from December.

This is totally inaccurate, there was no March or December in biblical times. The calendar as we know it, is a recent development, comparatively.

 

[jrabs]

You mean Mary’s conception OF Jesus, surely?
This is totally inaccurate, there was no March or December in biblical times. The calendar as we know it, is a recent development, comparatively.

No-LRThunder is correct. In December, we celebrate the Immaculate Conception of Mary - when Mary was conceived. This Feast is often confused for the the day of which Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

The Catholic Church celebrates this in March.

 

[puzzleannie]

I was reading up in “catholisism for Dummies”, and I just had a simple question.

As we know the immaculate conception of Mary was in the begining of December.

the Immaculate Conception commemorates the fact that Mary was conceived in the womb of her mother Anna without original sin, as the first fruits of the Redemption, Christ’s saving action. We have no idea when this occured. Since the birth of Mary is traditionally celebrated on Sept. 8, this feast is celebrated 9 months earlier, Dec. 8. It is just a date drawn not entirely arbitrarily but from small-T tradition.

The Annunciation of the Lord, the occassion when the angel Gabriel appeared to Mary to announce the action of the Holy Spirit in the conception of the Lord in her womb, is traditionally celebrated on March 25, 9 mos. before the celebration of the Nativity of the Lord, Dec. 25.

Again tradition holds lots of speculation on what the actual dates were, we don’t know, there is no doctrinal teaching on the matter, the dates are for liturgical purposes.

 

[puzzleannie]

You mean Mary’s conception OF Jesus, surely?
This is totally inaccurate, there was no March or December in biblical times. The calendar as we know it, is a recent development, comparatively.

the calender in use in the Roman world at this time was the Julian calendar, newly introduced by Julius Caesar, the first emperor, uncle of Augustus, the names for the months were just counting numbers, but their order was disrupted when July and August were inserted to celebrate the first 2 emperors, and the length of the months adjusted. There was a March, named form Mars the god of war, and a December, 10th month before the calendar changed.

Jews followed, and still do, their own lunar calendar. Theological speculation on various relevant dates of NT events was usually based on that calendar, timing of Jewish seasons and feasts etc. Bottom line, we don’t know, the Church sets the dates for liturgical purposes.

 

[1ke]

I was reading up in “catholisism for Dummies”, and I just had a simple question.

As we know the immaculate conception of Mary was in the begining of December.

Common births last nine months (CFD said this one did as well)

Then how was Jesus born lest than a month, or a year later?

What am I missing

Thank You in Advance

The Immaculate Conception refers to** Mary’s **conception. It is celebrated on December 8th. Of course, this is for the liturgical calendar only, as we have no idea on what day Mary was actually conceived.

The Annunciation is the feast celebrating the overshadowing of Mary by the Holy Spirit and the conception of Jesus. This is celebrated on March 25th. This is 9 months prior to the day on which we celebrate Jesus’s birth, December 25. These dates, too, are representative and not meant to be taken literally. We do not know the exact date of Jesus’s birth.

 

[mariapompinara]

I think that the idea of catholicism is very important in our society. What youre raising up is a question that came across many scholars. I truly do believe that the madonna is a whore, an old bitch whose arse is as large as the sistine chapel because she was arse-raped by numerous niggger Jews. Also, I would like to shun your beliefs. Primarily, Mary has had dirty, smelly, sweaty rabid sex with a group of hindus that came inside her throat, making unable to breathe. As you all know, there was no such thing as a condom at that time, so the small-dicked indians couldnt reach down marys cunt. She needed a longer penis. So she took off all her clothes and went to Congo, where she was rabidly raped by several jewish black men who filled her pussy up with sweet cum. That is the way Jesus Christ was born, AKA the black messiah.

 

[gardenswithkids]

The original poster’s question has already been answered, but I wish to address this comment:

This is totally inaccurate, there was no March or December in biblical times. The calendar as we know it, is a recent development, comparatively.

Despite how we divide it or what we call it, the earth circling the sun forms a pattern that can be divided into a cycle that repeats. When people say things like “the calendar is a recent development”, they seem to forget that the earth naturally has cycles that make up a year.

I have a relative (she’s protestant) who won’t celebrate Christmas because she doesn’t think its Jesus real birthday–so she doesn’t celebrate His birthday at all, anytime of the year. Whether or not the dates accurately match the earth’s position in relation to the sun and the appearance of the moon on the day of the actual events, these events happened at some point, so the Church picks days to celebrate these (and other) events.

 

[Mommyof02green]

I thought that is might help:
catholic.com:

It’s important to understand what the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception is and what it is not. Some people think the term refers to Christ’s conception in Mary’s womb without the intervention of a human father; but that is the Virgin Birth. Others think the Immaculate Conception means Mary was conceived “by the power of the Holy Spirit,” in the way Jesus was, but that, too, is incorrect. The Immaculate Conception means that Mary, whose conception was brought about the normal way, was conceived without original sin or its stain—that’s what “immaculate” means: without stain. The essence of original sin consists in the deprivation of sanctifying grace, and its stain is a corrupt nature. Mary was preserved from these defects by God’s grace; from the first instant of her existence she was in the state of sanctifying grace and was free from the corrupt nature original sin brings.

Source: click here

or this:

[quote=catholic.com]Q: A nun told my friend that the Church teaches that there were two Immaculate Conceptions: Jesus and Mary. Was Jesus immaculately conceived?

A: The Church does not refer to Jesus’ conception as an immaculate conception; his conception is the Incarnation, and the miraculous circumstances that surrounded his birth are called the Virgin Birth.

It helps to understand what exactly the Immaculate Conception of Mary was: Physically, she was conceived in the normal way through the marital relations of her parents. Spiritually, God preserved her from original sin at the moment of her conception in anticipation of the grace Jesus would win on the cross.

Christ’s conception was entirely different: By the power of the Holy Spirit, God the Son assumed a human nature and became man within the womb of a virgin without the intervention of a human father. Christ has two natures—divine and human—but he is only one Person, God. Because he is God, he was not subject to sin, although he assumed the consequences of sin in order to redeem mankind.

Technically, Jesus’ conception was free of all stain of original sin and thus immaculate (stainless). But because of the differences in the two, and the fact that many people say “Immaculate Conception” when they mean “Virgin Birth” or “Incarnation,” it is preferable not to refer to Christ’s conception as an “Immaculate Conception.” This would create confusion.
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Source: click here

 

[valient_Lucy]

I was reading up in “catholisism for Dummies”, and I just had a simple question.

As we know the immaculate conception of Mary was in the begining of December.

Common births last nine months (CFD said this one did as well)

Then how was Jesus born lest than a month, or a year later?

What am I missing

Thank You in Advance

Jesus’ conception is celebrated on March 25th, and Jesus’ birth is celebrated on December 25th.

Mary’s conception is celebrated on December 8th, and Mary’s birth is celebrated on September 8th.

 

[valient_Lucy]

You mean Mary’s conception OF Jesus, surely?

No, the poster means St. Anne’s (the mother of Mary) conception of Mary.