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Since when does the Western church not give communion to infants?
The orthodox do it together with baptism and confirmation all at once. I am familiar with the reasoning (discernment), but I am looking for some apologetic ammunition once more - the older the better, apart from Paul.
 
I think this question should be directed to the traditional Catholic forum. However, that said my particular Eastern Catholic Church currently holds to a latinization of having seven year olds prepare for first communion. Everyone is encouraged to come up to receive a blessing especially whole families of little ones, during communion.
 
I think this question should be directed to the traditional Catholic forum. However, that said my particular Eastern Catholic Church currently holds to a latinization of having seven year olds prepare for first communion. Everyone is encouraged to come up to receive a blessing especially whole families of little ones, during communion.
Thanks, Casilda. However, I am talking about capital-O Orthodox here, not Eastern Catholics or Maronites in communion with the bishop of Rome. I recently had a conversation where they went like “hey, why do you Catholics refrain from bringing your toddlers to communion? Very sad for the children.” Which in a way implicates that they suspect some grace being left in Catholic sacraments, but this is a different story.
 
Since the question concerns the discipline of the Latin Church, it might indeed be better posed elsewhere. Nonetheless, this article would seem to be a good place to start.
 
@malphono: Being pretty new to this forum, I am sorry if I created this thread in the wrong subforum. I do not know how to relocate - probably only an admin can do it. Anyway, thanks for the article link! This is very useful to me.👍
 
In the early church, the three sacraments of Initiation (Baptism, Chrismation, and Eucharist) were always given in that order and, ideally, together in one service, regardless of age. This is how we do it at my parish today (steliasmelkite.org). A good example of this in the West is their Easter Vigil service where they always Initiate together and in the proper order and in the midst of the Eucharistic service. Now imagine a whole family of pagans coming in, father, mother, and five kids ranging from 10 down to babe in arms, at that same Vigil and the priest initiating all of them together, not just those of a certain age, yes even the baby, and then you would have a good visual of how this worked in the early church. The Catechism does a nice job on this (see CCC 1285)

As the church began to spread rapidly and bishops/apostles were not always present every time someone was baptized (example Acts 8), there began to be an unfortunate and unintentional occasional temporal separation between Baptism and Chrismation (1290). Now, you have to remember, that Chrismation was and still is understood to be the final part of the Baptismal service (1298), so as a result, even if the person was an adult, they wouldn’t be allowed to receive Eucharist until they had been Chrismated. In fact, not until just this past century had it ever been heard of that a Christian would be allowed to receive Eucharist without being Chrismated (Read these paragraphs very carefully, look at the wording and order 1290, 1291, 1298, 1306, 1307, 1308, 1314, 1322). You can thank the French bishops of the 20th century for the modern anomaly.

The problem of the lack of the presence of a bishop at every baptism was solved in the east with the creation of the order of Presbyter, who could stand in for the bishop and administer the sacraments. In the East it became common practice for the Presbyter (priest) to administer Chrismation immediately after Baptism so as to maintain the connection between these two sacraments and so that there would not be any unnecessary delay in the reception of Eucharist. In the West, while this has been allowed in emergencies or special situations, the practice became to delay Chrismation until the bishop arrived on his next visit. This was to attempt to keep the idea in the minds of the people that Baptism, including it’s concluding rite (Chrismation) comes from the bishop who is the source of the sacraments in a diocese. Unfortunately, this also had the unintentional effect of stalling the reception of communion. This could be a problem where a bishop may not pass through for many years. When the bishop did arrive, he would Chrismate all who had been baptized since his last visit, including babies, and then all, including babies would receive Eucharist. But, for better or worse, this is the practice we see for the first 1000 years.

In the East, we still maintain the practice of the East as described above. In the West, however, things began to change in the middle-ages. When the priest began to leave the chalice at the altar and only bring the people the body of Jesus, the babies who had been baptized and chrismated were prevented from receiving. They had in essence been excommunicated! Remember a baby can’t chew very well and so the practice from the earliest days was to just give the babies a drop of the blood from a little spoon or the priest’s finger. Now there began a separation between Chrismation and reception of Eucharist and here is the first beginning of the erroneous idea that you have to be of a certain age to receive. From this comes the idea of intellectual awareness and all that nonsense, something that was never considered when initiating someone into the church.

Also during this period, in the West, Catholics began to receive less and less, to the point where eventually it was common for someone to receive communion only a few times in a life time, usually at least after being Chrismated and then again just before death. This also the practical reason behind the development of the idea of Spiritual communion and the paraliturgical practice of exposition and benediction after mass. The majority of the faithful on a typical Sunday did not receive and so this was the liturgical supplement. Today the odd practice exists where now most area again receiving but still their will be exposition and benediction, a sort of liturgical redundancy.

As a result of the common abstinence from reception during this time, the Church declared that all who were of the age of reason, due to culpability, but receive communion at the very least once a year. This is where the idea of the Easter obligation comes from. Now all those who were culpable for sin, that is, of the age of reason, were obligated to abide by this law. Anyone who was not yet of the age of reason could not be held culpable for not abiding by the law for obvious reasons. Here is where the whole popular idea of the age of reason thing really takes off in the West. This is why, when Trent weighs in on Chrismation, something debated by the reformers, it says that it is not necessary for one to receive it until the age of reason has been attained. It was not relegating it to a status less than water baptism, it was simply commenting on the situation in the historical context regarding the Easter obligation.

The next logical question then is what is the age of reason? When is it necessary to chrismate a child so that he can receive communion to abide by the Easter obligation. Well, in some places in the West that was considered as early as two, some as late as twelve, it varied from diocese to diocese. The Catechism of the council of Trent then gave the age of seven as a middle ground and that is why today, seven is still thought of as the time when someone should receive first communion.

If you want to read more on this I recommend
Charles Davis, Sacrament of Initiation.
 
Thank you so much, FatherSebastian, for taking the time to answer in so much detail! I understand you belong to a Melkite parish? As far as I know, Melkites are in communion with the bishop of Rome, but very much agree with the Orthodox in terms of theology and liturgy?
What you wrote makes a lot of sense to me.
Could it be that the Orthodox were “right” with this after all?
Sure, this is not really a question of theology let alone dogma, but more of discipline, as stated above by another poster. But are we not unnecessarily preventing our children from a lot of good that receiving earlier could do them? This seems important to me!
Also, reading FatherSebastians post, are we not getting the order wrong - communion **after ** chrismation?
I understand that meanwhile, those are differences in tradition, as the West has been doing it this way for a few hundred years at least. Still, can both ways be equally recommendable?
I would say surely not!
 
In the East it became common practice for the Presbyter (priest) to administer Chrismation immediately after Baptism so as to maintain the connection between these two sacraments and so that there would not be any unnecessary delay in the reception of Eucharist.
What isn’t stated here is that the chrism is prepared by the ruling bishop of each autocephalous church, assisted by his synod on Holy Thursday of Holy Week, whenever it is necessary. For example, in the Ecumenical Patriarchate it is done roughly every 10 years. So while it is usually administered by the priests, the chrism itself comes from the patriarch.
 
Since when does the Western church not give communion to infants?
The orthodox do it together with baptism and confirmation all at once. I am familiar with the reasoning (discernment), but I am looking for some apologetic ammunition once more - the older the better, apart from Paul.
FatherSebastian has given you a clear description of the explanation. The West has clearly diverted from the early Church. When I hear teaching on this, as I frequently do, it frankly doesn’t make sense to me. It’s defending a practice for which all kinds of teachings have developed to support the practice. 🙂

Perhaps a bit off topic, but National Statutes for the Catechumenate which govern the catechumenate for the Latin (Roman Catholic) Church in the United States stipulates that an unbaptized child who has reached catechetical age, AKA age of discretion, follow the norms of adults, ie the child is to be baptized, confirmed, and receive Eucharist at the Easter Vigil. While an increasing number of diocese follow this, the local Bishop or Ordinary may choose to have his diocese use the relatively recent tradition of baptism, followed later by first Communion, followed even later by Confirmation. Even this is changing as the restoration of the order of the Sacraments of Initiation is being introduced in various diocese.

Also, any infant baptized in “a case of necessity” usually imminent danger of death should, assuming one parent is Roman Catholic, also complete the Sacraments of Initiation, receive the Sacrament of Confirmation, at that time, or if the Baptism was done by someone other than a priest, as soon as a priest can offer the Sacrament. Sadly families may avoid the Sacrament of Confirmation of their critically ill child for various reasons.
 
…Also during this period, in the West, Catholics began to receive less and less, to the point where eventually it was common for someone to receive communion only a few times in a life time, usually at least after being Chrismated and then again just before death…

As a result of the common abstinence from reception during this time, the Church declared that all who were of the age of reason, due to culpability, but receive communion at the very least once a year. This is where the idea of the Easter obligation comes from…
I’m not sure where and when it developed in the Orthodox Church, but at least Russian Orthodox and Greek Orthodox of my age remember the faithful typically receiving very seldom, in many cases only once a year. I believe it was Fr Alexander Schmemann and others of his time at St. Sergius in Paris who were responsible for the restoration of frequent Communion in Orthodox Churches (and also restoration in parishes of the Liturgy of the Presanctified Gifts which again people my age had never heard of as children unless they were connected to a monastery in some way). I’ve been in Divine Liturgy and Presanctified in a local Russian Orthodox Church this past year where the priest was the only one who received Communion- no one else approached.
 
Thank you so much, FatherSebastian, for taking the time to answer in so much detail! I understand you belong to a Melkite parish? As far as I know, Melkites are in communion with the bishop of Rome, but very much agree with the Orthodox in terms of theology and liturgy?
What you wrote makes a lot of sense to me.
Could it be that the Orthodox were “right” with this after all?
Sure, this is not really a question of theology let alone dogma, but more of discipline, as stated above by another poster. But are we not unnecessarily preventing our children from a lot of good that receiving earlier could do them? This seems important to me!
Also, reading FatherSebastians post, are we not getting the order wrong - communion **after ** chrismation?
I understand that meanwhile, those are differences in tradition, as the West has been doing it this way for a few hundred years at least. Still, can both ways be equally recommendable?
I would say surely not!
Yes, it’s a matter of discipline, but here’s the problem. There is an ancient saying, and it’s even in Latin: “Lex Orandi. Lex Credendi.” The law/manner/custom/rule of prayer is the rule of faith." What that means is that we pray as we believe and we believe as we pray and so when there is a change in one of these it has an effect on the other. When baptism is done as a little private ceremony instead of the entire parish on Sunday morning, when we trickle what amounts to be about a cup of water over the forehead instead of dunking them three time in a pool, when we put on the newly baptized a little white bib instead of a full white baptismal gown, when we hand them a 51% beeswax candle instead of a real beeswax candle and say that its okay because its valid if at least its 51%, then what are we saying about what we believe about baptism? When we relegate baptism to a thing when you get around to it in your teenage years, what are we saying about its importance and its connection to baptism?

Regarding the order, Confirmation was put after baptism in the 1920’s. That’s during the life of the parents of some of us on this forum. Hardly an age old custom of the Roman rite.

Any who are reading this thread should carefully read the Roman Catholic Catechism on Baptism, Confirmation, and Eucharist and you will see that this is exactly what the Roman Church is saying as well. Check it out and notice the order that these sacraments are discussed in the structure and in each paragraph CCC 1210, 1212, 1233, 1239, 1242, 1243, 1285, 1290, 1291, 1298, 1306, 1307, 1308, 1314, 1322).
 
Yes, it’s a matter of discipline, but here’s the problem. There is an ancient saying, and it’s even in Latin: “Lex Orandi. Lex Credendi.” The law/manner/custom/rule of prayer is the rule of faith." What that means is that we pray as we believe and we believe as we pray and so when there is a change in one of these it has an effect on the other. When baptism is done as a little private ceremony instead of the entire parish on Sunday morning, when we trickle what amounts to be about a cup of water over the forehead instead of dunking them three time in a pool, when we put on the newly baptized a little white bib instead of a full white baptismal gown, when we hand them a 51% beeswax candle instead of a real beeswax candle and say that its okay because its valid if at least its 51%, then what are we saying about what we believe about baptism? When we relegate baptism to a thing when you get around to it in your teenage years, what are we saying about its importance and its connection to baptism?

Regarding the order, Confirmation was put after baptism in the 1920’s. That’s during the life of the parents of some of us on this forum. Hardly an age old custom of the Roman rite.

Any who are reading this thread should carefully read the Roman Catholic Catechism on Baptism, Confirmation, and Eucharist and you will see that this is exactly what the Roman Church is saying as well. Check it out and notice the order that these sacraments are discussed in the structure and in each paragraph CCC 1210, 1212, 1233, 1239, 1242, 1243, 1285, 1290, 1291, 1298, 1306, 1307, 1308, 1314, 1322).
After reading these paragraphs in the CCC then read this article on the restoration in the US osv.com/OSVNewsweekly/Story/TabId/2672/ArtMID/13567/ArticleID/17817/Restored-order-for-sacraments-a-growing-trend.aspx
 
Thank you so much, FatherSebastian, for taking the time to answer in so much detail! I understand you belong to a Melkite parish? As far as I know, Melkites are in communion with the bishop of Rome, but very much agree with the Orthodox in terms of theology and liturgy?
What you wrote makes a lot of sense to me.
Could it be that the Orthodox were “right” with this after all?
We have to thank FatherSebastian for an excellent explanation.

Constantin, I agree with you with the proviso that we refer to the Eastern Churches, i.e…, not just Orthodox but the Eastern Catholic Churches as well

The Western Latin church has always been very practical in matters liturgical (which is why it annoys me to be reproached by Catholics who became a liturgist after reading the GIRM). Many practices had a practical origin and later retrospectively imbued with doctrinal justifications (ok, maybe not strictly doctrinal but sometimes it feels like it). Try looking into the practice of priests washing his hands after offertory, etc or Christmas for that matter.

Most Catholics are not aware that the celebration of First Holy Communion is just a little over a century old. Like many practices Catholic, it is deemed to have originated from time immemorial because ‘my grandparents celebrated it the same way I did when I was young and everyone else did as far as I can remember’.

So, from a pastoral point of view we now have Baptism, Communion and Confirmation as the sacraments of initiation in that order, which is supported by a sophisticated structure of doctrines that makes excellent sense as a process of a young person’s rite of passage into Catholic adulthood. I think this concept of a multi-year rite of passage echoing the secular rite of passage has a lot going for it even if not authentically Early Church or is a deviation from original practices of the Church. We now expect more from our non-RCIA candidates for communion and confirmation than FatherSebastian’s family of pagans seeking baptism.

Times have change and the question is whether it is valid and expected for our ideas of religious initiation to also shadow secular life.

In my country, first communion and confirmation are at ages 9 and 17 respectively after formation of 9 and 27 months respectively (yes, we take our confirmands from January in the year they turn 15 and they get confirmed in the year they turn 17, usually Easter season). I find it a good enough balance. 17 is their final year of secondary schooling and so appropriate as a rite of passage too.

I find 7 is too early an age for communion as they are just about to understand and not all children will be able to appreciate everything taught during that 9 months formation whereas at age 9, we can be sure that they all will. Those who do understand earlier end up with a period of impatient anticipation which I think is a wonderful part of the journey. We probably can’t hold them off any later than age 9.
 
We have to thank FatherSebastian for an excellent explanation.

Constantin, I agree with you with the proviso that we refer to the Eastern Churches, i.e…, not just Orthodox but the Eastern Catholic Churches as well

The Western Latin church has always been very practical in matters liturgical (which is why it annoys me to be reproached by Catholics who became a liturgist after reading the GIRM). Many practices had a practical origin and later retrospectively imbued with doctrinal justifications (ok, maybe not strictly doctrinal but sometimes it feels like it). Try looking into the practice of priests washing his hands after offertory, etc or Christmas for that matter.

Most Catholics are not aware that the celebration of First Holy Communion is just a little over a century old. Like many practices Catholic, it is deemed to have originated from time immemorial because ‘my grandparents celebrated it the same way I did when I was young and everyone else did as far as I can remember’.

So, from a pastoral point of view we now have Baptism, Communion and Confirmation as the sacraments of initiation in that order, which is supported by a sophisticated structure of doctrines that makes excellent sense as a process of a young person’s rite of passage into Catholic adulthood. I think this concept of a multi-year rite of passage echoing the secular rite of passage has a lot going for it even if not authentically Early Church or is a deviation from original practices of the Church. We now expect more from our non-RCIA candidates for communion and confirmation than FatherSebastian’s family of pagans seeking baptism.

Times have change and the question is whether it is valid and expected for our ideas of religious initiation to also shadow secular life.

In my country, first communion and confirmation are at ages 9 and 17 respectively after formation of 9 and 27 months respectively (yes, we take our confirmands from January in the year they turn 15 and they get confirmed in the year they turn 17, usually Easter season). I find it a good enough balance. 17 is their final year of secondary schooling and so appropriate as a rite of passage too.

I find 7 is too early an age for communion as they are just about to understand and not all children will be able to appreciate everything taught during that 9 months formation whereas at age 9, we can be sure that they all will. Those who do understand earlier end up with a period of impatient anticipation which I think is a wonderful part of the journey. We probably can’t hold them off any later than age 9.
With all do respect, it’s reasoning like that (which is contrary to the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church) that eventually led me to leave the Roman Catholic Church and join the Antiochian (Melkite) Catholic Church. There was an old saying that was so often quoted in the west that it is preserved in Latin “Lex Orandi, Lex Credendi” (The manner/rule/expression of prayer is the manner/rule/expression of belief). The whole idea that you have to have some understanding of the Eucharist in order to receive it is an invention of catechists trying to deal with the modern situation in which they find themselves. You will find that nowhere in the first 1,500 years of Christianity. If the rule of prayer has changes (that is the liturgical celebration of the church), then the belief has changed with it, and that’s just not acceptable. Otherwise, why not just join the watchtower bible and tract society?
 
@jimkhong: When I said that the Orthodox were right after all, I did not mean in general, but those I had this discussion with which was the reason I started this thread.
Indeed, FatherSebastians posts have been very helpful.
In practice, this will achieve us nothing: Are you going to approach the priest in your local RC parish, asking to give communion and chrismation to your one-year -old? Hardly.
 
@jimkhong: When I said that the Orthodox were right after all, I did not mean in general, but those I had this discussion with which was the reason I started this thread.
Indeed, FatherSebastians posts have been very helpful.
In practice, this will achieve us nothing: Are you going to approach the priest in your local RC parish, asking to give communion and chrismation to your one-year -old? Hardly.
Actually, up until just a few decades ago, anyone who was baptized as an infant in Central America, South America, or the Philippines was also Confirmed at the bishop’s next visit, which in most cases meant that they were Confirmed as infants and young children. These Churches are just as “Roman” Catholic as any others, and in fact, through their ancient Spanish Tradition, are actually preserving the ancient Roman Catholic Tradition.
 
@jimkhong: When I said that the Orthodox were right after all, I did not mean in general, but those I had this discussion with which was the reason I started this thread.
Indeed, FatherSebastians posts have been very helpful.
In practice, this will achieve us nothing: Are you going to approach the priest in your local RC parish, asking to give communion and chrismation to your one-year -old? Hardly.
Constantin, I understand you (or at least I think I do) that the Eastern churches were faithful to the original practice of confirmation and communion at birth. I am not sure what you mean by that this will achieve us nothing. Do you mean that we now have a different practice in the West and it is therefore the starting point in the discussion and not whether it was the original practice? So therefore there is no point in trying to make that leap back to the original practice?

I really do appreciate FatherSebastian’s explanation. It is my kind of explanations - I mean the type I like. It also illustrate how we can come to different conclusions on the same set of facts - different situations, different life experiences, different sets of priorities.

Much as I would like everyone to be in the same Church, whether different ideals and visions of the Church can coexist within the same polity I am not so confident. We have two visions of Church here - one is to adhere to the original position of the Church. The other requires the Church to change with the times. Most of us (myself included) are somewhere within that spectrum. But we do have people who are more at one extreme than another. Those who trend closer to maintaining as similar a practice as possible with the early Church tend to be Orthodox or sympathetic to the Orthodox position (of course, not all Orthodox are on that extreme, the Church is a mix and people sits within the spectrum with very few at the extreme: One has to be so careful with loose language if one wishes to avoid an argument over semantics):):). On the other hand, the TEC would include a lot of people who prefer to be at the other end of the spectrum. I liken it (in a limited way) to Beethoven’s symphonies being performed by a period instrument ensemble and also by an electro-punk band - sometimes they argue about who is being authentic.

Catholics tend to be a lot more centrist, being in a broad church. But there has always been tension between those who view the Church as unchanging as God is and those who see the Church as constantly adapting to be relevant, even in (and maybe, especially in) areas not to do with dogma or revealed revelation.

Sometimes, the Church compromise by adding a sheen of immemoriality to new practices. As mentioned, First Holy Communion is an example. Doesn’t make it wrong. Pius chose to deal with a problem in the Church in the early 20th century in a particular way. Someone else may choose a different way. To me, it is whether it solves the problem he faced within the constraints he had. I think he had. But someone else may have a different set of priorities and think his solution overstepped those constraints. If so, thank you for adding to the enrichment of the Church. If there is only one idea in the Church, it would be rather boring if safe. It would also be the death of the Church as we wont’t be allowing the Holy Spirit to blow as it wills.

Another ‘invention’ in the Catholic Church is Christmas, adopted by the Eastern Churches as well. Never existed in apostolic times, and invented largely to deal with a local Roman problem. But people also realised that the solution of Christmas not only solve the local problem but also fulfilled their need for such a celebration in mid-winter (as humans like celebrations in mid-winter). Church theologians also found that the doctrines developed to justify such a celebration makes a lot of sense and fits well into Christian theological thinking. So, Christmas is now so fundamental to the liturgical year of not just Catholics but all of Christianity (well, almost all) that it is hard to conceive of Christianity without Christmas. But there are those who gets picky over the origins of Christmas and refused to indulge in it. Well and good for them - thank you for enriching Christianity (I am not being sarcastic)

I think the key thing is whether we can have our own ideas and yet break bread together. I hope we do not come to the point when we reject communion with people just because we have different theological thoughts, not whether we have committed actual actions that damage the communion of the Church.

Anyway, I digress. And if I may digress further, I have always been intrigued by people within the Catholic church changing rites. May I ask FatherSebastian what his process was like as I understand it requires the Pope’s approval? Was reasons required to be given?
 
And if I may digress further, I have always been intrigued by people within the Catholic church changing rites. May I ask FatherSebastian what his process was like as I understand it requires the Pope’s approval? Was reasons required to be given?
When I was in highschool, my father decided that he had had enough of polyester vestments, felt banners with butterflies, and songs like “On Eagles Wings.” He found a local Ruthenian Byzantine Church in San Luis Obispo, a town near our home. I can still remember the first Sunday. Gold vestments, gold processional crosses, incense, chant, mystery, awe…I could go on but I think you get the picture. After the service and the lively coffee social/luncheon we walked back to the car. As we were getting in he said, “Well, I think I know where we are going next Sunday!” I shot back, “Dad, we can’t come back here!!!” He said, “Why not?” I said, “Because it’s not Catholic!” I knew enough to know this was not the “Catholic Church” I had grown up in. He said, “Son, you don’t know what is Catholic or what is not Catholic.” He was right, but I was basing my opinion on what I had known. He was basing his opinion on a lot more, and in the end, I had to admit that he was right. What did I know about the Catholic Church? So the next Sunday, there we were again, and again. We eventually became parishioners. My parents still go to that church every Sunday to this very day. I served there as a subdeacon and then a deacon for a while before being ordained a priest for the Melkites. You can see me in blue in a long procession of white in the rotating pictures on their site (stanneslo.org/).

I eventually finished my BS at Cal Poly and then decided to change direction to study theology. I decided a retreat was in order. So I spent about seven months with Holy Resurrection Monastery (hrmonline.org/). After that went off to Christendom College in VA and did an MA in Theology. Then a PhD in Scripture at Catholic University of America. While there I encountered the Melkite Church. Once I set foot in that door I knew I was home (holytransfiguration.org/). It was there, after many years of study that I met my wife.

It was in the process of the marriage paper work that I did the official change of Church jurisdiction (popularly called “change of rite”). After that I taught for nine years at a seminary in NE for the Fraternity of St. Peter. Then, after I couldn’t take any more NE winters I finally got back to CA. It was shortly thereafter that I was ordained to the deaconate and then to the priesthood. I now serve as pastor of St. Elias Melkite Catholic Church in Los Gatos, CA (steliasmelkite.org)
 
When I was in highschool, my father decided that he had had enough of polyester vestments, felt banners with butterflies, and songs like “On Eagles Wings.” He found a local Ruthenian Byzantine Church in San Luis Obispo, a town near our home. I can still remember the first Sunday. Gold vestments, gold processional crosses, incense, chant, mystery, awe…I could go on but I think you get the picture. After the service and the lively coffee social/luncheon we walked back to the car. As we were getting in he said, “Well, I think I know where we are going next Sunday!” I shot back, “Dad, we can’t come back here!!!” He said, “Why not?” I said, “Because it’s not Catholic!” I knew enough to know this was not the “Catholic Church” I had grown up in. He said, “Son, you don’t know what is Catholic or what is not Catholic.” He was right, but I was basing my opinion on what I had known. He was basing his opinion on a lot more, and in the end, I had to admit that he was right. What did I know about the Catholic Church? So the next Sunday, there we were again, and again. We eventually became parishioners. My parents still go to that church every Sunday to this very day. I served there as a subdeacon and then a deacon for a while before being ordained a priest for the Melkites. You can see me in blue in a long procession of white in the rotating pictures on their site (stanneslo.org/).

I eventually finished my BS at Cal Poly and then decided to change direction to study theology. I decided a retreat was in order. So I spent about seven months with Holy Resurrection Monastery (hrmonline.org/). After that went off to Christendom College in VA and did an MA in Theology. Then a PhD in Scripture at Catholic University of America. While there I encountered the Melkite Church. Once I set foot in that door I knew I was home (holytransfiguration.org/). It was there, after many years of study that I met my wife.

It was in the process of the marriage paper work that I did the official change of Church jurisdiction (popularly called “change of rite”). After that I taught for nine years at a seminary in NE for the Fraternity of St. Peter. Then, after I couldn’t take any more NE winters I finally got back to CA. It was shortly thereafter that I was ordained to the deaconate and then to the priesthood. I now serve as pastor of St. Elias Melkite Catholic Church in Los Gatos, CA (steliasmelkite.org)
That’s a fascinating journey. Mine position is a little odd as I am happy to have Latin EF/OF masses (there aren’t any in my country but I will attend every time I am in a country that has) but disagree with the choir in my parish which wanted to sing all the old Latin hymns for all the masses every Sunday. I believe people should have a right to choose the type of mass they wish to attend. Also, I suspect I have very different theological ideas from my co-attendees at the Latin masses. This then gives rise to the problem of - what if other people has a different threshold for similarities in theological opinions to be considered being in communion.

Anyway, my question is - what is the process that you had to go through to change rites. I presume you have to write to the Vatican.
 
That’s a fascinating journey. Mine position is a little odd as I am happy to have Latin EF/OF masses (there aren’t any in my country but I will attend every time I am in a country that has) but disagree with the choir in my parish which wanted to sing all the old Latin hymns for all the masses every Sunday. I believe people should have a right to choose the type of mass they wish to attend. Also, I suspect I have very different theological ideas from my co-attendees at the Latin masses. This then gives rise to the problem of - what if other people has a different threshold for similarities in theological opinions to be considered being in communion.

Anyway, my question is - what is the process that you had to go through to change rites. I presume you have to write to the Vatican.
Change of rite is local, and does not involve the Vatican. There are two avenues. If you are married to someone of another rite/jurisdiction you can simply state that you wish to make the change to the local pastor of your spouses jurisdiction. He notes it in the church registry and you are done. There is no paperwork involved. The other way is that you write a letter, with your proposed jurisdiction priest as a guide, to your proposed jurisdiction bishop asking to be accepted into his jurisdiction for your spiritual welfare. He then writes to your local bishop and obtains your release. After that, you sign a document making the whole thing official and that’s it.
 
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