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have you ever thought about time?

which way does it flow?
the preset is the past…this present momet…past before you can even mention it…
the past is gone and the future is not here yet…what is time?

time is complete…not for us though…b/c we are in time and space…God exists outside time and space…time is complete…

i want to know what people think about time…
 
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have you ever thought about time?

which way does it flow?
the preset is the past…this present momet…past before you can even mention it…
the past is gone and the future is not here yet…what is time?

time is complete…not for us though…b/c we are in time and space…God exists outside time and space…time is complete…

i want to know what people think about time…
Time is timeless. 😃

Well, for now anyway, time flows forward relative to us. God would see it as one whole, just piecing bits together as he goes.

Time is relative, Einstein proved that. But whether we all experience different time periods in our own heads is different. Just my two cents on the matter.
 
i want to know what people think about time…
I dont have the time to think about time.😃

HMM, can time be made? People sometimes say “make time” for this or that. Can one actually make time?
 
The liturgy contains a prayer that includes this thought-provoking line: “Time is the gradual unveiling of truth that already is.”

Interesting thought, isn’t it? It says much about the limitations under which we live on this earth, especially in relation to God, who transcends our temporal world. Therefore, whereas we are bound by time and tenses in our ability to understand reality, we can nevertheless see that our omnipotent God is not bound by the same understandings.

So we “wait” for Sacred History to “play out.” God does not. For God, is there any time duration between the incarnation and the second coming?

Now here’s an interesting parallel: God created time. We accept time as our “only” reality. Just the way that God’s Church created the Bible. And some will accept only that creation as the sole revelation, and so try to constrain the creator to his creation.

We are accustomed to thinking of eternity as time without end. But I believe it to be the absence of time. This is a radical difference. Consider this example: Over a man’s 80-year lifespan, he gradually acquires certain knowledge. Now what if all of that knowledge could be infused into that man’s mind in one instantaneous burst of enlightenment?

Consider an ant crawling across a frescoed ceiling. What reality is the ant aware of? Maybe he thinks, “Well, for about six hours I had to walk across this ugly gray terrain, but now I have crossed into more pleasant blue pastel surroundings. Maybe by tomorrow I will find myself in a stretch of orange or red. Wouldn’t that be nice.”

Such are we, traversing earthly life from birth to death. What are our observations? Does our experience of life have any meaning? Is there meaning that is greater than our experience of it?

Now somewhere along the line, the ant loses his footing and falls to the floor. He looks up, and sees his whole life experience – not as a prolonged, durational reality, but in one instantaneous burst. What is his experience now? The notion of “time” has been removed.

Similarly, what we perceive of God is limited by our inherent time-dependency. We perceive salvation history as something stretched out over centuries, even ages: we regard the fall of man as an ancient historical event; the incarnation as God’s “timely” response to it; and the final resurrection as something “out there” in a time yet-to-come.

But is this the way that God experiences the same reality? Is there any “duration” to salvation history in the experience of God, who is not bound by time? We will see the entire fresco, in one glimpse, at the moment of death when we enter the timelessness of eternity.

I think we ought to be thankful that we currently live in time – because it allows us to grow, to reflect, to learn, to repent of our self-centered choices. For in the absence of time, such might not be possible, and our own choices might likely be eternally irrevocable.

Perhaps our living in time is therefore a great mercy given us by God – in spite of the fact that time necessarily entails the pain of confusion, suffering, and death that often makes us question God’s goodness.
 
Brilliant post, antonius, absolutely brilliant.

I’ve been thinking about time lately as well. I understand that heaven and hell exist outside of time. What about purgatory? I think I have always associated that with heaven, and therefore assumed that purgatory also existed outside of time as well. Lately when I am thinking about purgatory though, I am thinking that it might exist within time, that it is separate from eternity. Does anyone know if there is more written about this?

One other thing that I wonder about, if we made it to heaven and heaven exists outside of time, then we are there now while we are here now. Maybe that is how saints were sometimes able to perform miracles or have special insights while they were still alive here on earth, because they had that special connection to heaven.

Now, if purgatory exists in time while heaven exists outside of time, maybe that would explain why there are realtively few people that we know for sure are saints.

Although, sometimes, when we get that feeling of deja vu or when we meet someone that it feels instantly like we have known them our whole lives, doesn’t that make us feel like we have that connection with the eternal, even now? Those “instantaneous bursts” that you speak about, antonius, maybe those don’t only happen upon our death. Maybe, just maybe, if we are somewhere in eternity, outside of time, we can get these “microbursts” where we can get these brief glimpses of the future, just tiny instantaneous flashes that we can feel, that we know are a reality.

Just thinking out loud…
 
Much to think about, dulcissima, and I don’t know that God has given it to any of us to know for sure. Purgatory is often called “temporal punishment,” and some indulgences refer to the remission of temporal punishment for x number of “days,” so the idea of purgatory existing within time is quite possible. I think the Blessed Mother is even reported to have said that one of the Fatima children would be in purgatory “until the end of the world,” which implies that it may be a temporal state.

Then again, since the concept of time permeates our experience, it is virtually impossible for us to understand what the absence of time would be like – and so, perhaps God’s revelation is framed in a way that we can understand. We know that Jesus used parables to help us grasp higher truths that went beyond the language he used to convey them.

As for whether we can be conscious of our eternal experience while we are still temporal (that is, before we have left our time-dependence and entered eternity), that is a fascinating question. There are some saints who were able to transcend limitations of space (St. Padre Pio was reportedly able to bi-locate), so perhaps some can transcend time in the same way.

I think we may indeed catch occasional glimpses of reality from our eternal perspective. But I believe that what is most important to God is our faith, our trust, while we are living in time. Might not consciousness of our eternal reality interfere with the purity of what we call “faith” here on earth?

Just more thinking out loud…
 
I once asked my five year-old son, "What is time?’

His answer: “Time is the measurement of things happening.”

Top that!
 
The past already happened, the future is yet to come… the only thing we really have is now, thats why it’s called ‘the present’

my mom always says that.
 
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TobyLue:
I dont have the time to think about time.😃

HMM, can time be made? People sometimes say “make time” for this or that. Can one actually make time?
Time happens; one can not “make” time (unless one is with one’s girlfriend, but that is a different story). One can, however, reserve part of the time that is happening to get done what need to be gotten done.

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