Tithing- in scripture

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It says in the old testment that tithing is 10% and a lot of religions still follow this. Is there anywhewre where it says we as catholics changed this rule or better said jesus changed this rule
 
Old Covenant tithes were only food from farmers and herdsmen inside Israel. Catholics are not under the Old Coventnt rules. When the church began to introdice tithes in the 6th century Councils of Macon and Tours it was still onlly from food from those who use church lands. Tithes were never from money in the Bible nor in the early church. Many poor in the church cannot afford to ttihe but God accepts their freewill offering as he did the poor widow. See my web site www.shouldthechurchteachtithing.com
 
Russ has the answer.

One thing that I find conveniently left out of the syllabus of those who teach mandatory tithing is that those who lived far from the central worship point were allowed to convert their agricultural tithes into money. Then once they got to the central worship point, they were to buy what they needed and have a party.
Deut 14:22-26–You shall truly tithe all the increase of your grain that the field produces year by year. And you shall eat before the LORD your God, in the place where He chooses to make His name abide, the tithe of your grain and your new wine and your oil, of the firstborn of your herds and your flocks, that you may learn to fear the LORD your God always. But if the journey is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, or if the place where the LORD your God chooses to put His name is too far from you, when the LORD your God has blessed you, then you shall exchange it for money, take the money in your hand, and go to the place which the LORD your God chooses. And you shall spend that money for whatever your heart desires: for oxen or sheep, for wine or similar drink, for whatever your heart desires; you shall eat there before the LORD your God, and you shall rejoice, you and your household. (NKJV)
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I did not want to swamp the blog with all of my material. My PHD was on tithing and my web site has almost 100 articles on it from every angle. I quote Catholic souirse which agree with mde often. My 288 page book can be downoaded for free. Russell Earl Kelly.
 
We pay tithes to the government why not the church?

We still follow the moral laws just not the ceremonial laws.

Genesis 14
18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19 and he blessed Abram, saying,
"Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
Creator of heaven and earth.

20 And blessed be God Most High,
who delivered your enemies into your hand."
Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.

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mor·al /ˈmɔrəl, ˈmɒr-/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[mawr-uhl, mor-] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or concerned with the principles or rules of right conduct or the distinction between right and wrong; ethical: moral attitudes.
2. expressing or conveying truths or counsel as to right conduct, as a speaker or a literary work; moralizing: a moral novel.
3. founded on the fundamental principles of right conduct rather than on legalities, enactment, or custom: moral obligations.
4. capable of conforming to the rules of right conduct: a moral being.
5. conforming to the rules of right conduct (opposed to immoral): a moral man.
6. virtuous in sexual matters; chaste.
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8. resting upon convincing grounds of probability; virtual: a moral certainty.
 
First, you are getting your definitions from the secular dictionary and not from the Bible. In the Bible the word “tithe” never stands alone; it is always the tithe of food from inside national Israel.

Second, tithes are not moral so why go to the extreme of pirnting the defintion of “moral”? If something is moral merely becaus it is very common and very widespread then you must include child sacrifices and idol worship as moral practices.

Third, we give to the extent we love God, love the church and love others. Percentages are irrelevant. Perhaps most of us shoudl give more than 10% but many cannot do that much.

Fourth, you quoted Abraham. OK, follow his example and tithe spoils of war from Sodom the next time you rescue a family memmber. There are no holy tithes in Genesis 14. Don’t forget vedrse 21. You must give the other 90% to the king of Sodom (Satan?).

For the following reasons, Genesis 14:20 cannot be used as an example for Christians to tithe. (1) The Bible does not say that Abraham “freely” gave this tithe. (2) Abraham’s gift was NOT a holy tithe from God’s holy land gathered by God’s holy people under God’s holy Old Covenant for God’s Levitical system.

(3) Abraham’s tithe was only from pagan spoils of war and was required in many nations. His tithe was not commanded by God. It was neither new nor unusual. If you disagree, do some research of tithing from spoils of war.

(4) In Numbers 31, God only required 1% of spoils of war. If you want to know what God’s early law required from spoils of war, look in Numbers 31. It was only 1%.

(5) Abraham’s tithe to Melchizedek was a one-time recorded event.

(6) Abraham’s tithe was not from his own personal property.

(7) Abraham kept nothing for himself; he gave everything back.

(8) Abraham’s tithe is not quoted anywhere in the Bible to endorse tithing.

(9) Genesis 14, verse 21, is the key text. Since most commentaries explain verse 21 as an example of pagan Arab tradition, it is contradictory to explain the 90% of verse 21 as pagan, while insisting that the 10% of verse 20 was God’s will. [REPEAT] You have probably never heard this from the pulpit. All I can say is, “Do some serious research of verse 21.”

(10) If Abraham is an example for Christians to give 10% to God, then he should also be an example for Christians to give the other 90% to Satan, or to the king of Sodom!

(11) As priests themselves, neither Abraham nor Jacob had a Levitical system to support. They probably left food for the poor at their stone altars as they traveled.
 
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