TLM, Diocisan Priests and ICRSS/FSSP (spin off thread)

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Since the overwhelming majority of Catholics in this country are not interested in the Latin Mass the need for priests to minister to small groups like the ICRSS or FSSP is not nearly as urgent as it is for the diocese. Being he has already made his decision I think we should answer his questions and leave the Tridentine Mass versus the world discussion for another thread,
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Estesbob, I hope you don’t mind that I stole your post (this thread) for a spin off thread.

Perhaps the “overwhelming majority” of US Catholics do not desire the TLM because of the lack of priests who teach and act in allegiance to the magistarium, and who do not teach about the Church’s stance on moral issues (see this thread for one who did!)

I think more and more seminarians should be encouraged to attend seminaries such as ICRSS or FSSP to bring back orthodoxy into the Church and to help ensure better Catechism among the faithful.
 
Most Catholics do not desire the TLM because most Catholics do not particularly desire ANY mass.

That is to say, they go to the nearest, most convenient Mass.

If they have to make a positive choice to seek out the old mass…most won’t bother going out of their way.

But let’s say the situation was reversed. Let’s say the old mass was made obligatory, and for 20 years the new mass could only be said by indult in one or two churches per diocese. Do you think all the people in the diocese would flock to those churches because they love the novus ordo so much?

I dont think so, I dont think most Catholics really care. They’re indifferent, most will never bother to actively seek something out, they’ll just go to the nearest one.

Therefore, it is unfair to judge the TLM by how many people are actively demanding it, because no similar comparison or statistics exist for the Novus Ordo, ie, how many people, after a few years of obligatory TLM, would still be actively demanding the Novus Ordo. Maybe a few, and they could go to a few indult parishes per diocese.

Then, after 20 or 40 years of the Novus Ordo being practically forbidden, limited to a few indult parishes…we’d see how many priests bothered to learn it, and how many people bothered to request it even if a universal indult was given for it.

Lack of active demand is no argument against the TLM, because that holds it to a higher standard than the Novus Ordo…which no one has had to actively demand, merely passively accept.

Like I said…switch the scenario, impose the old rite, practically ban the Novus Ordo for 20 years, and put it under indult only for another 20…and we’d see how many people requested it at the end of those 40 years, and how many simply kept going along with the status quo.

I really think most Catholics dont care…and so no progress is going to be made on the TLM unless it is imposed from the top down. Which, after some intitial uneasiness, people would accept and quickly return to not caring. Most Catholics aren’t going to actively demand either liturgy, so it’s an unfair standard to judge the TLM by. Most are just going to go the mass offered closest to them.

I honestly believe that if they were put on a level playing field…many more people are actively demanding and seeking out the TLM than would ever actively go out of their way to attend the Novus Ordo if it was restricted in a similar way.
 
I think the leadership needs to make it more available and foster a love for the TLM. Most Catholics may not even know it exists and are totally oblivious to the modern problems as they are not enthusiastic about the faith or just attend Mass out of “routine”. I would think most who attend a TLM are intentionally seeking it out.
Basically, good leaders (bishops etc.) need to promote the TLM…it’s the “right thing” to do! 😛
 
In my opinion these are the reasons why many Catholics do not like the Traditional Latin Mass:
  1. They do not know anything about the TLM.
  2. Their Bishops and priests in their dioceses probably do not say anything about it.
  3. They know about it, but really don’t care because they tend to focus more on somethings (e.g. sunday sports, shopping).
  4. They can choose probably between the new and the ancient one.
  5. They don’t bother to learn the TLM.
  6. Too reverent for them, i guess.
  7. Probably they are in denial.
  8. It is a chain reaction.
  9. Mixed reactions that affects the real intention of the Pope.
  10. and many more excuses…
I think it is perfect if the Vatican will mandatorily require all Catholic priests to learn the Traditional Latin Mass whether they agree or not. I don’t see anymore reason why not to reintroduce again this venerable sacred rite.

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Ad_Deum said:
In my opinion these are the reasons why many Catholics do not like the Traditional Latin Mass:
  1. They do not know anything about the TLM.
OR they know about it and still want the NO.
2. Their Bishops and priests in their dioceses probably do not say anything about it.
Or the Bishops and priests do talk about it and the people still want the NO
3. They know about it, but really don’t care because they tend to focus more on somethings (e.g. sunday sports, shopping).
Or they aren’t interested even though they spend lots of time at the church for Altar care, teaching CCD, and other church activities.
4. They can choose probably between the new and the ancient one.
5. They don’t bother to learn the TLM.
Or the TLM was mostly gone by the time they were born and there was no reason to learn it. But they have an 1962 Missal and could follow along if they needed to
6. Too reverent for them, i guess.
OR they are already attending a reverent NO
7. Probably they are in denial.
Denial ? 🤷
8. It is a chain reaction.
A chain reaction of what?
9. Mixed reactions that affects the real intention of the Pope.
10. and many more excuses…

I think it is perfect if the Vatican will mandatorily require all Catholic priests to learn the Traditional Latin Mass whether they agree or not. I don’t see anymore reason why not to reintroduce again this venerable sacred rite.

Pax
Laudater Jesus Christo
Instaurare omnia in Christo

"I support the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest and all the traditional societies and religious orders."
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I think it is funny that if you tell someone that you are not interested in the TLM, they assume that you attend and enjoy a “clown mass.” :rolleyes:
 
I think the reason why there isn’t much demand for the TLM is that it doesn’t get enough exposure. I’m sure there are many catholics who’ve never heard of the Tridentine Mass or believe it is a thing of the past. It’s not like you walk into a catholic church on a whim and find out that the Tridentine Mass is being celebrated.

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