To Kneel or To Stand at Prayer & Eucharist?

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Which is really correct? I have heard people say that kneeling is a medieval custom and was not prevalent in the early centuries of Chisitianity. Some claim that genuflection is also simply a medieval custom. Is this true? If it is, then should we do it? Shouldn 't we model the liturgy and relevant worhip gestuires as closely as possible to what the earliest Christians did?
 
we should model our postures, gestures, responses, words and actions at Mass as directed by the norms of the liturgy and our local bishop.
 
Which is really correct? I have heard people say that kneeling is a medieval custom and was not prevalent in the early centuries of Chisitianity. Some claim that genuflection is also simply a medieval custom. Is this true? If it is, then should we do it? Shouldn 't we model the liturgy and relevant worhip gestuires as closely as possible to what the earliest Christians did?
This is not the early centuries of Christianity any longer. What does the Church today say to do? That is what we should be doing!
 
Kneeling or standing is a matter of discipline that depends on the culture. To change the posture to standing would also consequently lead to changes in perceptions of what is happening. To simply change to conform to the early church would be a negative because it would cause error to spread.
 
Kneeling is certainly not simply a Mediaeval custom. There is an anti-kneeling agenda that completely mystifies me – unless it’s an pseudo-equality, horizontalizing trend.
 
After some thought on this and some reading of Kung and Zanzig, interesting very interesting, I think that I have figured out the rationale behind the standing versus the kneeling postures.

According to these two theologians and many others, both in and out of the Church, historically, the Catholic Church operated in what was termed a Christology from above model which envisioned Jesus primarily as a divinity. In fact his divine nature was exalted and trumpeted far above his humanity. To that end it was only proper that Jesus be accorded all the respect and dignity due someone who on the earth would be the equivalent of a King. So popular devotions such as Expositions, benedictions, Adorations etc were the norm and and kneeling to receive Holy Communion was proper. It also resulted in the general feeling that Christmas, celebrating the birth of the Man God and the Messiah was the pre-eminant Christian festival

Today the Church operates in what is termed a Christology from below model, which was trumepted by Kung and other theologians at Vatican II. Christology from below envisions Christ’ humanity, more than his divinity. It does not deny his divinity, but pretty much ignores it. It is pointed out that Jesus started his ministry late in life, that he lived, suffered and died a man, rather than as a God. Many proponents of this model feel that Christ became aware of his mission gradually, thus explaining why He started so late in life. He is even referred to as a first century Jewish teacher healer and prophet in some of their writings, rather than as the Son of God .While He was certainly those things He was first of all the Son of God and the Second Member of the Blessed Trinity.

In todays worship, we are told to, envision Christ in the community, to see him in each other, to see him as a brother, to have that deep personal relationship with him. To see him as everybody and in everybody. Hence, kneeling would not be required or even correct, because you would not kneel to your friends. It is also the reason that such Christ/Diety devotions that were popular, Expositions, Benedictions and Adorations were stooped in so many places and actively discouraged in many others. Such devotions did not fit the model of Christ/Man. It also resulted in the belief in the celebration of Easter as being considered the pre-eminant Christian festival, because in it the Christ as man, and by extension we as men have through Gods grace defeated death and been resurrected

An aside, the entire Christology from below model appears to me to be nothing more than a watered down version of the Arian and Adoptionist Heresies of the early church. Just my opinion by the way.

Note: This is just an opinion that I have after reading a lot on this subject. It certainly does explain a lot of things that have occurred in the past fifty years or so in the Church and the introduction of some practices and the decline of others…
 
The now Pope Benedict writes in his Spirit of the Liturgy book:

“It may well be that kneeling is alien to modern culture — insofar as it is a culture, for this culture has turned away from the faith and no longer knows the one before whom kneeling is the right, indeed the intrinsically necessary gesture. The man who learns to believe learns also to kneel, and a faith or a liturgy no longer familiar with kneeling would be sick at the core. Where it has been lost, kneeling must be rediscovered, so that, in our prayer, we remain in fellowship with the apostles and martyrs, in fellowship with the whole cosmos, indeed in union with Jesus Christ Himself”

. You can view the excerpt from this book at
crossroadsinitiative.com/library_article/814/Theology_of_Kneeling_Cardinal_Ratzinger.html?PHPSESSID=92f14f82b2a5f5c57add57c9d69d9a3c

In modern times I also wonder if it is relevant to note that we have three basic bodily gestures in the West, standing, kneeling, and sitting, all having their own proper role in liturgical prayer. In the Eastern Churches there is no sitting at all, and I assume this was the case in the Early Church. Standing seems to take on its own meaning in relation to sitting that it would not have in Eastern Churches today, which might affect how we use it as worship. This is something I don’t know about, I’m just curious about it.
 
It also resulted in the belief in the celebration of Easter as being considered the pre-eminant Christian festival, because in it the Christ as man, and by extension we as men have through Gods grace defeated death and been resurrected

An aside, the entire Christology from below model appears to me to be nothing more than a watered down version of the Arian and Adoptionist Heresies of the early church. Just my opinion by the way.

Note: This is just an opinion that I have after reading a lot on this subject. It certainly does explain a lot of things that have occurred in the past fifty years or so in the Church and the introduction of some practices and the decline of others…

I happen to agree with your opinion.
 
Actually, a totally spiritual religion would give no significance to posture. Deliberate physical posture is a manifestation of an incarnational theology. Kneeling doesn’t overly divinize Christ. Rather, it acknowledges the significance of the body and what we do with it. We are not Gnostics.
 
yallguys,

when in doubt, quote Cardinal Ratzinger/Benedict XVI. Is he not an absolute genius! Reading him, led me to the Church. Praise God from Whom All Blessings Flow!
 
Which is really correct? I have heard people say that kneeling is a medieval custom and was not prevalent in the early centuries of Chisitianity. Some claim that genuflection is also simply a medieval custom. Is this true? If it is, then should we do it? Shouldn 't we model the liturgy and relevant worhip gestuires as closely as possible to what the earliest Christians did?
Kneeling is an act of submission. It isn’t so much an act of reverence anymore, but it isn’t so foreign to us that we can’t understand it to be an action of reverence. It is required in certain parts of the Mass. For communion, it’s a personal matter, as the liturgical norms no longer regulate it (the USCCB is unclear on the matter, but people have written the Vatican and they have said the faithful may stand or kneel while receiving communion- they do not seem to give preference to one posture over the other), but I can say that If I were to not kneel for communion, I would be prideful and presumptuous.
 
ewtn.com/expert/answers/cdw2002.htm

Congregatio de Cultu Divino et Disciplina Sacramentorum

Prot. n. xxxx/02/L
xx July 2002

Your Excellency,…

In fact, as His Eminence, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger has recently emphasized, the practice of kneeling for Holy Communion has in its favor a centuries-old tradition, and it is a particularly expressive sign of adoration, completely appropriate in light of the true, real and substantial presence of Our Lord Jesus Christ under the consecrated species.


Sincerely yours in Christ,
Jorge A. Cardinal Medina Estévez
Prefect

Francesco Pio Tamburrino
Archbishop Secretary
 
It’s not a medieval custom, unless one considers St. Paul to be a ‘medievalist’

Romans 14:11
It is written: " ‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bow before me; every tongue will confess to God.’
Ephesians 3:13-15
I ask you, therefore, not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory.
For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom his whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name.
Phillipians 2:9-11
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth
,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father
Paul was a great adovacate of kneeling, so who I am to say he’s wrong 😉
 
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