To know and to don't know

[STT]

I have faith in a loving God. This provides me certainty.

That is not a good reason. By the way, why the spirit of truth has never came to tell people the truth?

 

[davidv]

That is not a good reason.

Why is this not a good reason? Why do you reject it?

By the way, why the spirit of truth has never came to tell people the truth?

He did, and does. He speaks through the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

 

[STT]

Why is this not a good reason? Why do you reject it?

Because Satan can simply intervene such that we will never recognize.

He did, and does. He speaks through the Magisterium of the Catholic Church.

That is a huge claim. Do you mean that the members of the Catholic Church are prophets?

 

[davidv]

Because Satan can simply intervene such that we will never recognize.

I don’t believe Satan is unrecognizable. So this does not explain why it (prior post) was not a good reason.

That is a huge claim. Do you mean that the members of the Catholic Church are prophets?

Yes. Each of use is anointed priest, prophet and king at our Baptism.

Priest: To worship God
Prophet: To speak the Truth
King: To rule our lives with self-mastery

 

[STT]

I don’t believe Satan is unrecognizable. So this does not explain why it (prior post) was not a good reason.

The belief is not enough. Have you ever encounter with Him? I had. He could simply cheat us blind, control our minds, read our minds in advance!

Yes. Each of use is anointed priest, prophet and king at our Baptism.

Priest: To worship God
Prophet: To speak the Truth
King: To rule our lives with self-mastery

So they speak to God!?

 

[davidv]

The belief is not enough. Have you ever encounter with Him? I had. He could simply cheat us blind, control our minds, read our minds in advance!

You recognized him, proving my point. The rest is pure speculation, without evidence.

So they speak to God!?

Yes, It’s called prayer.

 

[Wesrock]

What I said is that God’s knowledge in regard to creation is subjected to creation. How? Think of a person who decide in a specific time. God has to sustain her existence so He should know her act. In this sense God’s knowledge is subject to creation (act of the person).

Her act is subject to God’s act. In fact, it is a participation in God’s act. God knows her act because she is His act. God is not metaphysically subject to creation.

 

[STT]

You recognized him, proving my point. The rest is pure speculation, without evidence.

I recognized Him when He wanted.

Yes, It’s called prayer.

Does God talk with them too?

 

[STT]

Her act is subject to God’s act. In fact, it is a participation in God’s act. God knows her act because she is His act.

We are talking about the fact that God’s knowledge is subject to her decision. I agree with what you said but I am saying different thing.

God is not metaphysically subject to creation.

Yes it is when it comes to knowledge of decision of individual. God cannot create a creation where the decision of individual is subjected to God’s knowledge otherwise decision lose its meaning and we are individual dealing with our fate.

 

[davidv]

We are talking about the fact that God’s knowledge is subject to her decision. I agree with what you said but I am saying different thing.

Yes it is when it comes to knowledge of decision of individual. God cannot create a creation where the decision of individual is subjected to God’s knowledge otherwise decision lose its meaning and we are individual dealing with our fate.

Seems your are extremely confused about who God is an how He relates to us.

 

[STT]

Seems your are extremely confused about who God is an how He relates to us.

No, I am pretty aware of what I am saying. I am not confused. By the way what is wrong with my argument.

 

[rinnie]

Here we are discussing a problem related to eternal God. We know that God has knowledge of everything. This knowledge is unique when it comes to creation. Creation however could exist or not. This means that the knowledge of creation could exist or not. This means that God knows and doesn’t know at the same time which is a contradiction.

Creation has nothing to do with knowledge. Creation came from God who without him would not be creation nor knowledge. All things come from God. With that said creation could NOT exist without God.

 

[STT]

Creation has nothing to do with knowledge. Creation came from God who without him would not be creation nor knowledge. All things come from God. With that said creation could NOT exist without God.

I am sorry but I don’t understand how what you said is related to this thread.

 

[davidv]

No, I am pretty aware of what I am saying. I am not confused. By the way what is wrong with my argument.

You may be aware of what you are saying, but this does not make it make sense. You have no argument, only baseless assertions and faulty premises.

 

[STT]

You may be aware of what you are saying, but this does not make it make sense. You have no argument, only baseless assertions and faulty premises.

Huh?

 

[davidv]

Huh?

Exactly.

 

[rinnie]

Here we are discussing a problem related to eternal God. We know that God has knowledge of everything. This knowledge is unique when it comes to creation. Creation however could exist or not. This means that the knowledge of creation could exist or not. This means that God knows and doesn’t know at the same time which is a contradiction.

We know creation exists by the word of God. Not that Creation could exist or the knowledge of creation could exists. God created the world in 7 days. God created Man, Woman, animals, trees all of creation. For goodness sakes God created knowledge itself or it would not exist.

But to get to the point by the word of God, he revealed the knowledge to us that he created the world, how many days he created it, how he created everything in this world, and the human race. There is no contradiction in this.