To Muslims: Why doesn't The Qur'an describe the spiritual aspects of heaven?

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drac16 said:
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Is that all you got out of my post? sigh

I was using worldly associations and applying them to spiritual truths.
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I just find it odd that Allah would speak of anything detestable being in his paradise, even if used as a metaphor.

Even the other Muslim fella says how detestable it is and how Muslims should associate it.

It’s fine if your interpretation draws a “noble parallel” just odd to me. That’s all.
 
Wine was not always seen as detestable(i.e before the relevant verses of the Qur’an were revealed). This is besides the the points I made, though.
 
drac16 said:
Wine was not always seen as detestable(i.e before the relevant verses of the Qur’an were revealed). This is besides the the points I made, though.
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Yeah, it is irrelevant that you said that.

And I find your original point strange. Why would Allah compare his paradise with something considered horrible. Why would Allah want us to see wine and compare it to how humans have thought of it? Allah doesn’t like wine and considered it detestable, yet he wants it, or a metaphor of it in his paradise.

Very odd.
 
dronald said:
Yeah, it is irrelevant that you said that.

And I find your original point strange. Why would Allah compare his paradise with something considered horrible. Why would Allah want us to see wine and compare it to how humans have thought of it? Allah doesn’t like wine and considered it detestable, yet he wants it, or a metaphor of it in his paradise.

Very odd.
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The Arabic word translated as wine in the aforementioned verse is, Khamr. According to Shia narrations this word refers to khamrah which means something that is fragrant. Thus, the verse is not referring to wine, it is referring to a stream with a fragrant smell.
 
peace_at_last said:
The Arabic word translated as wine in the aforementioned verse is, Khamr. According to Shia narrations this word refers to khamrah which means something that is fragrant. Thus, the verse is not referring to wine, it is referring to a stream with a fragrant smell.
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That doesn’t go with the ‘intoxication’ part, though.
 
dolphinlove said:
It also states in the hadiths there are rivers of alcohol and they get 72 virgins.
Almost sounds like going to a pub on a saturday night.
All jokes aside, do muslims believe this?
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The gold and silk is Haram(unpermissible) for men(not for women) on the world but in paradise they are permissible. So precepts can change according to different situations. Wine is interpreted as sherbets, nectars which do not intoxicate and fuddle. Word of hamr were used for nectars of grape, apple, wheat, honey, barley etc. All these beverages give pleasure and verse means pleasureful beverages will be in paradise but they will be not intoxicant.

Wine is permissible in Christianity and it was not inhibited initially in Islam but then Allah forbided wine.

In paradise humanbeing will not die, be hungry or thirsty, ill etc. So the wines (nectars) will not intoxicate in paradise. There is no conflicts in verses.
 
hasantas said:
The gold and silk is Haram(unpermissible) for men(not for women) on the world but in paradise they are permissible. So precepts can change according to different situations. Wine is interpreted as sherbets, nectars which do not intoxicate and fuddle. Word of hamr were used for nectars of grape, apple, wheat, honey, barley etc. All these beverages give pleasure and verse means pleasureful beverages will be in paradise but they will be not intoxicant.

Wine is permissible in Christianity and it was not inhibited initially in Islam but then Allah forbided wine.

In paradise humanbeing will not die, be hungry or thirsty, ill etc. So the wines (nectars) will not intoxicate in paradise. There is no conflicts in verses.
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Can you explain your first part about gold and silk? It’s forbidden on earth? Why?
 
hasantas said:
Wine is permissible in Christianity and it was not inhibited initially in Islam but then Allah forbided wine. .
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Wine not inhibited in Islam initially but then Allah forbid wine? Can you explain what you mean here?

MJ
 
dronald said:
Can you explain your first part about gold and silk? It’s forbidden on earth? Why?
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In hadiths it is said gold as jewelery and silk as garment for men are Haram. Ofcourse there should be many reasons for that prohibition but it is not necessary to know wholy. Just one reason ı can say that inhibition is to prevent men to be like women.
 
MartinJordan said:
Wine not inhibited in Islam initially but then Allah forbid wine? Can you explain what you mean here?

MJ
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  1. They ask thee concerning wine and gambling. Say: “In them is great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit.” They ask thee how much they are to spend; Say: “What is beyond your needs.” Thus doth Allah make clear to you His Signs: In order that ye may consider- Al-Baqarah(2):219
  2. O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say,- nor in a state of ceremonial impurity except when you are passing by (through the mosque), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand (or earth), and rub therewith your faces and hands. For Allah doth blot out sins and forgive again and again.
    An-Nisaa(4):43
  3. O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination,- of Satan’s handwork: Eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper.
  4. Satan’s plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer: will ye not then abstain? Al-Maida(5):90-91
Wine was forbid as in above progressive way and that was about in year of 626 while the first revelation has came in 610.

İn verse it is mention that in wine there are some benefits ant some harms but harms is greater so it is forbidden. If that harm side of wine go away then it can be permissible in paradise(But one cannot say that ı drink and ı do not be hulf-cut so it is halal for me) . Because one of the biggest reason for forbidden of Allah is harmful side of it.
 
Could Muslims explain the purpose of having:

"Companions with beautiful, big and lustrous eyes " Quran 56.22
"And made them virgin pure and undefiled Quran 56.36
"And round about them will serve youths of perpetual freshness, if you see them, you would think them.scattered pearls. Quran 76.19

in a place reserved only for the soul, and not the body.
 
otterman said:
Could Muslims explain the purpose of having:

"Companions with beautiful, big and lustrous eyes " Quran 56.22
"And made them virgin pure and undefiled Quran 56.36
"And round about them will serve youths of perpetual freshness, if you see them, you would think them.scattered pearls. Quran 76.19

in a place reserved only for the soul, and not the body.
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It’s reserved for both the soul and body.
 
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