Today's (Feb 19) Mass Readings (God is pro-life / capital punishment / Peter's Revelation about Christ)

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Thursday (2-19)

***Genesis 9:1-13: ***

God blessed Noah and his sons and said to them: “Be fertile and multiply and fill the earth. Dread fear of you shall come upon all the animals of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon all the creatures that move about on the ground and all the fishes of the sea; into your power they are delivered. Every creature that is alive shall be yours to eat. [So much for vegetarianism.] I give them all to you as I did the green plants. Only flesh with its lifeblood still in it you shall not eat. For your own lifeblood, too, I will demand an accounting: from every animal I will demand it, and from one man in regard to his fellow man ***I will demand an accounting for human life. If anyone sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has man been made. ***Be fertile, then, and multiply; abound on Earth and subdue it. See, I am now establishing my covenant with you and your descendants after you and with every living creature that was with you: all the birds, and the various tame and wild animals that were with you and came out of the ark. I will establish my covenant with you, that never again shall all bodily creatures be destroyed by the waters of a flood; there shall not be another flood to devastate the earth.” God added: “This is the sign that I am giving for all ages to come, of the covenant between me and you and every living creature with you: I set my bow in the clouds to serve as a sign of the covenant between me and the earth.”

Psalm 102***:

From Heaven the Lord looks down on the earth…

St. Mark 8:27-33:

Jesus and his disciples set out for the villages of Caesarea Philippi. Along the way he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that I am?” They said in reply, “John the Baptist, others Elijah, still others one of the prophets.” And he asked them, “But who do you say that I am?” Peter said to him in reply, “You are the Christ.” Then he warned them not to tell anyone about him. He began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer greatly and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed, and rise after three days. He spoke this openly. Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. At this he turned around and, looking at his disciples, rebuked Peter and said, “Get behind me, Satan. You are thinking not as God does, but as human beings do.” [This was before the Holy Spirit (at Pentecost) had strengthened Peter.]

God takes murder seriously (obviously)… even if humans don’t… 😦

'Interesting how the modern issues of legalized abortion and capital punishment are dealt with in this same passage…

Gospel: Some non-Catholics like to say that this gospel reading proves Peter was not meant to be anything like a “first pope” However, Jesus, in his rebuke, did not intend to imply that Peter was the incarnation of Satan himself. :eek: He was rebuking Peter’s way of thinking, not Peter as a person. What got to Jesus was that Peter was thinking as humans do, was not focused on the will of God. Peter was an impulsive person who loved Jesus very much… I believe it was Peter’s great & passionate love for Christ (along with his perceptions as to His true identity) that was the reason Christ chose him as the first earthly head of His Church.
 
I don’t think that this passage supports capital punishment, at least not in a Christian context. First because it appears to be a prediction rather than a command. But even if you interpret it in the light of the Mosaic Law, which does command capital punishment, it doesn’t apply to us. The Mosaic Law sees murder as polluting the land. Capital punishment was, among other things, a ritual act–if they couldn’t find the murderer the elders of the community had to do a ritual formally declaring that they were innocent of the blood of the murdered person.

Jesus’ death abolishes the ritual need for capital punishment. For Christians it is solely a matter of defending the innocent, and should only be administered when it is necessary on *those *grounds.

EDwin
 
Jesus’ death abolishes the ritual need for capital punishment.
Who says?
For Christians it is solely a matter of defending the innocent, and should only be administered when it is necessary on *those *grounds.
i am Roman Catholic and therefore follow the Pope on this matter. My understanding is that he approves of cap punishment whne there is no other way to keep a convicted murderer locked up. You would think that in this modern age, we would have no problem keeping murderers locked up. However Ted Bundy was locked up and once when they were transporting him (i think to a court hearing?) he went into some (law library?) & jumped out the window, falling quite a ways and handcuffed, but free… & then he went on to murder 2 other women, 1 a young girl.

If that’s the best we can do, i totally believe in capital punishment.
 
I don’t think that this passage supports capital punishment, at least not in a Christian context. First because it appears to be a prediction rather than a command. But even if you interpret it in the light of the Mosaic Law, which does command capital punishment, it doesn’t apply to us. The Mosaic Law sees murder as polluting the land. Capital punishment was, among other things, a ritual act–if they couldn’t find the murderer the elders of the community had to do a ritual formally declaring that they were innocent of the blood of the murdered person.

Jesus’ death abolishes the ritual need for capital punishment. For Christians it is solely a matter of defending the innocent, and should only be administered when it is necessary on *those *grounds.

EDwin
Although I agree that the Mosaic proscription for rtual capital punishment is no longer necessary for christians, I disagree that capital punishment (or any other punishment for that matter) is solely for the defence of the innocent. The state is a divine institution like the church. Whereas a part of the church’s divine mission is to grant mercy to the penitent, the state has a divine mission to administer justice to the guilty.

Capital punishment may not be a merciful punishment but oftentimes it is a just punishment. The state has a divine mission and sacred responsibility to render a just sentence.
 
I’m all for capital punishment, so long as he who is without sin casts the first stone.
there is a difference between stealing an apple from a neighbor’s tree and murdering someone’s mother/daughter/sister/wife (etc) because, say, you were bored…
 
there is a difference between stealing an apple from a neighbor’s tree and murdering someone’s mother/daughter/sister/wife (etc) because, say, you were bored…
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Would you use such a patronising analogy with the Popes who have not agreed with capital punishment?
 
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Would you use such a patronising analogy with the Popes who have not agreed with capital punishment?
huh… what?? What analogy??

sorry, but i consider your “answer” a non-answer… meaningless…

and don’t know of any popes who have been totally against cap punishment… don’t believe you do either…
 
huh… what?? What analogy??

sorry, but i consider your “answer” a non-answer… meaningless…

and don’t know of any popes who have been totally against cap punishment… don’t believe you do either…
"there is a difference between stealing an apple from a neighbor’s tree and murdering someone’s mother/daughter/sister/wife " was the analogy.

Pope John Paul II wasn’t totally against it, but that it had to place in the West where killers can be detained.

How about this for an answer then miss:
Capital Punishment in my opinion is wrong because life cannot lose its value. Age doesn’t decrease the value of life, which is why I am against euthanasia, and crime doesn’t either. It is only permissible if the person WILL take more life. In the West killers can be detained for life, so it is not necessary.
 
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