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What exactly is the gift of tongues?

What is it when someone can speak tongues?

Your thoughts is much appreciated.

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Michael Ivan Mendieta
 
“Speaking in tongues” is a special grace (or Charism) given by the Holy spirit that allows a believer to speak in a language not learned by natural means. In Acts 2:4; 10:46 and 19:6, these are instances when the apostles and some new believers spoke in tongues.

The Catholic Church affirms that St. Anthony of Padua had the gift while he was preaching.

Hope this helps.
 
Mendieta said:
What exactly is the gift of tongues?

What is it when someone can speak tongues?

Your thoughts is much appreciated.

Thanks
Michael Ivan Mendieta
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Michael,
This is from 1Corinthians chapter 14. I believe your questions are answered here.
Douay-Rheims Bible:
21 In the law it is written: In other tongues and other lips I will speak to this people; and neither so will they hear me, saith the Lord. 22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to believers, but to unbelievers; but prophecies not to unbelievers, but to believers. 23 If therefore the whole church come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in unlearned persons or infidels, will they not say that you are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or an unlearned person, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all. 25 The secrets of his heart are made manifest; and so, falling down on his face, he will adore God, affirming that God is among you indeed.

26 How is it then, brethren? When you come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a revelation, hath a tongue, hath an interpretation: let all things be done to edification. 27 If any speak with a tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and in course, and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him hold his peace in the church, and speak to himself and to God. 29 And let the prophets speak, two or three; and let the rest judge. 30 But if any thing be revealed to another sitting, let the first hold his peace.
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so where did the idea come from that speaking unintelligible gibbersih (that is not and never has been a real language) is the same as speaking in tongues? or is it?
 
quasimodo said:
so where did the idea come from that speaking unintelligible gibbersih (that is not and never has been a real language) is the same as speaking in tongues? or is it?
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My non-Pentecostal Bible-believing, Plymouth Brethren friend refers to this as “ecstatic utterance.” He has Pentecostal friends who claim that the gift of “tongues” – taken in this sense, and not by the scriptural definition that one must speak in a **real **language that one does not know, and someone must be there to interpret it – is the proof that one is saved.

I do not know where the idea came from that this is “tongues” – I have charismatic Catholic acquaintances who call this “tongues” but they receive it as a gift and do not hold to the idea that this is anything other than a consolation. They have no vanity or arrogance about it at all.
 
mercygate said:
My non-Pentecostal Bible-believing, Plymouth Brethren friend refers to this as “ecstatic utterance.” He has Pentecostal friends who claim that the gift of “tongues” – taken in this sense, and not by the scriptural definition that one must speak in a **real **language that one does not know, and someone must be there to interpret it – is the proof that one is saved.

I do not know where the idea came from that this is “tongues” – I have charismatic Catholic acquaintances who call this “tongues” but they receive it as a gift and do not hold to the idea that this is anything other than a consolation. They have no vanity or arrogance about it at all.
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inexpressible groanings I can accept … gibberish, not so much
 
quasimodo said:
so where did the idea come from that speaking unintelligible gibbersih (that is not and never has been a real language) is the same as speaking in tongues? or is it?
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This reminds me of my son’s ex gf. She was a Vineyard member and did this, but she was the only one who understood what she said…which of course I argued was not the biblical definition at all…
 
Mendieta said:
What exactly is the gift of tongues?

What is it when someone can speak tongues?

Your thoughts is much appreciated.

Thanks
Michael Ivan Mendieta
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I had a great friend, who was very confrotational, and stood up in a pentacostal church once and uttered Psalm 23 in the original Hebrew. Someone in the church stood up and translated and they were way off! He called them out and caused a lot of trouble but exposed their fallacy.

Whenever someone approaches me with the topic of tongues I gently remind them of the fruits of the spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, generosity, kindness, gentleness, faithfulness, and self control. This is the the real evidence of the ever-abiding presence of the Holy Spirit in believers.
 
Mendieta said:
What exactly is the gift of tongues?

What is it when someone can speak tongues?

Your thoughts is much appreciated.

Thanks
Michael Ivan Mendieta
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I always understood tongues to be being able to speak and all languages be able to understand. Like the disciples at pentacost in the Bible (after the gift of the Holy Spirit), they spoke one language but all those listening understood and where amazed and many where filled with the Holy Spirit. I’ve also heard that it is some special language that only God and the Angels understand (from my protestant friends).
 
My nephew, Chris, told us about going to his friend’s church.
He participated in the religious education, but was not quiet.
They were discussing the descent of the Holy Spirit when the Apostles were gathered. Chris participated, adding that the Apostles were gathered there afraid. The lady heading the class was awestruck that he would suggest such an idea.
He was right of course.
She then told the children about speaking in tongues and said that she would demonstrate so that they would know it when they heard it.
According to Chris, she was mumbling and blubbering in a way that could not be any actual language.
He was 12 and new it was gibberish.
I was proud of him.
 
BryPGuy89 said:
I always understood tongues to be being able to speak and all languages be able to understand. Like the disciples at pentacost in the Bible (after the gift of the Holy Spirit), they spoke one language but all those listening understood and where amazed and many where filled with the Holy Spirit. I’ve also heard that it is some special language that only God and the Angels understand (from my protestant friends).
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Exactly, i read that also and my interpretation was exactly the same as yours. Are we wrong?

This is confusing me now.

Thanks
Michael Ivan Mendieta
 
Mendieta said:
Exactly, i read that also and my interpretation was exactly the same as yours. Are we wrong?

This is confusing me now.

Thanks
Michael Ivan Mendieta
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Babbling gibberish is more technically (if I may so abuse the word ‘technical’) known as “ecstatic utterance.” You are correct that “tongues” is the gift of speaking a real language, and someone is supposed to be able to interpret it.

So if you are given the gift of speaking in ancient Chaldee, you had better have a tape recorder handy since it is unlikely that anybody in the room will understand you, unless they simultaneously receive the gift of interpretation.

I do not frequent charismatic circles, so perhaps someone can tell me whether charismatic Christians believe that the interpreter also receives a charismatic gift of understanding the foreign tongue.

If that is so, then our brother above, who recited the 23 Psalm in Hebrew would have doubled the strength of his case. Ah ha! I get it: the Holy Spirit won’t hang out with people who are skeptical of the charismatic gifts, so that’s why the interpreter didn’t know what he was saying!

Man! Am I stupid! :rolleyes:
 
Seems to me that the gift of toungues would be for practical purpose. Just like on the day of Pentecost the Apostles were given this gift so that all who were around would understand what they said. If everyone around you can speak your normal tongue I don’t think there would be a reason to be given that charism.
 
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