Too much evangelizing

[GregorysArmy]

I have an acquaintance who has come to me for help. She works in a school with a custodian who is a very (she says crazy) devout Catholic. He keeps lecturing her and says she shouldn’t teach children about different cultures or things he doesn’t believe in. An example of this is when she had the students do a project about Chinese New Year. He won’t take subtle hints that his comments are unwelcome and she says she is now afraid of him. She is considering recording him and reporting him to her superiors. What should I tell her to do?

 

[Bonnie]

If she is a teacher or assistant, she shouldn’t be coming into that much contact with a custodian. Is he seeking her out? Does she encourage his talk by being too polite?

In my opinion, she should start by being curt with him. If he initiates a conversation, she should tell him bluntly she doesn’t have time to chat. If he continues to bother her, then she should report him.

There may be a legal problem with recording someone without his knowledge. Her word should be enough. At least I would hope so!

 

[pianistclare]

She should tell the principal.
What kind of teacher does not know how to approach her boss with a problem?

 

[Catholic1954]

She needs to report this inappropriate behavior immediately to her supervisor and get written documentation of these weird contacts. Is this a Catholic school?

 

[GregorysArmy]

She stays after school to prepare and grade, as most teachers do. Having worked in schools, I can tell you all staff interact on a regular basis. This is a public school. She has told him she is not Catholic and that she has different beliefs than he does. He still won’t drop it. She is hesitant to report to her principal because she doesn’t want to get him fired as he has a large family to provide for.

 

[Reepicheep]

She stays after school to prepare and grade, as most teachers do. Having worked in schools, I can tell you all staff interact on a regular basis. This is a public school. She has told him she is not Catholic and that she has different beliefs than he does. He still won’t drop it. She is hesitant to report to her principal because she doesn’t want to get him fired as he has a large family to provide for.

He is committing an offense. If she doesn’t report him he will be free to keep on committing that offense. He might be harassing some other people too, or if not now, might do so later if not stopped now.
I suggest you point out to her that if she does not report him she may be allowing him to harass others, and may be depriving the administration of a chance to correct the problem.

 

[coachdennis]

She stays after school to prepare and grade, as most teachers do. Having worked in schools, I can tell you all staff interact on a regular basis. This is a public school. She has told him she is not Catholic and that she has different beliefs than he does. He still won’t drop it. She is hesitant to report to her principal because she doesn’t want to get him fired as he has a large family to provide for.

If he is doing this to her, he is probably attempting to do this to others. She needs to discuss this with the school principal, pronto. It does not mean automatic dismissal, but the issue needs to be addressed.

Frankly, it’s not her problem or concern he has a large family to provide for. All the more reason for HIM to keep his mouth shut and not engage in this behavior, especially during working hours.

 

[GregorysArmy]

I agree she does need to report this. If she does, likely the custodian will get a talking to. It would probably take repeated incidents for action to be taken. She will probably still have to interact with him as he empties her trash cans every day, vacuums, and does his job -which he does well. She came to me hoping there was a Catholic teaching she could use to discourage him from this behavior and knowing I’m Catholic, thought I might know. She “knows other Catholics who aren’t completely crazy.” The only thing I can think of is Matt 7:1. I told her that people are to come to the faith willingly and no one should come against their will, but is there a specific cannon that addresses this?

 

[coachdennis]

I agree she does need to report this. If she does, likely the custodian will get a talking to. It would probably take repeated incidents for action to be taken. She will probably still have to interact with him as he empties her trash cans every day, vacuums, and does his job -which he does well. She came to me hoping there was a Catholic teaching she could use to discourage him from this behavior and knowing I’m Catholic, thought I might know. She “knows other Catholics who aren’t completely crazy.” The only thing I can think of is Matt 7:1. I told her that people are to come to the faith willingly and no one should come against their will, but is there a specific cannon that addresses this?

Crazy comes in all sizes, ages, flavors, and denominations!

She needs to report this for what it is, harassment on the job and let the procedures in place take their course. As long as he is not called out on his behavior, the longer he will not see any reason to change his behavior.

In fact, I would be willing to bet money that the moment he is spoken to by a superior, HE will play the victim card.

 

[GregorysArmy]

Crazy comes in all sizes, ages, flavors, and denominations!

She needs to report this for what it is, harassment on the job and let the procedures in place take their course. As long as he is not called out on his behavior, the longer he will not see any reason to change his behavior.

In fact, I would be willing to bet money that the moment he is spoken to by a superior, HE will play the victim card.

 

[wadramli]

I would talk to her about her beliefs . what they are ? in a nice way of course.

Invite her to come to church and see for herself .

maybe talk to her about the Chinese demand for rhino horn which has just about driven rhino into extinctions in Africa. Prices shoot up on Chinese new year. Incidentally do they have rhino year in their calendar? a uestion she should pose to the kids

china executes more people than all other countries combined . they execute people in vans .there are those who say they pick the guy from the street and dispatch him right there and then in the van . his liver is sold. China actually has the cheapest liver transplant rates. People from Africa go there to get liver transplant for like 50 thousand US dollars . very popular in Africa …get your new liver in china

and how about cultural revolution. Fascinating them cultural secularist practices and life styles and where they lead .

You watch Chinese Kung Fu movies ? uaully in movies people start shootng and killing each other over some serious grievances. But I don’t know about these kung fu movies. The guy so much as looks at the other guy and he wants to take his eyes out . make me laugh so hard I almost fall off the chair .

You know something ? The world is very very veeeerrry blessed the US is the super power . just wait till china becomes the super power and see what happens to you . you have no idea what is going on.

What is this class anway ? anthropology class for brainwashing kids ? prpare them to flip hamburgers for living when they graduate ?

Words of advice . take steps necessary to protect yourself from adverse legal action. Story does not add up. Better for you to put your rationalizations aside.

all in all It is very refreshing to see a catholic a mere custodian, taking a stand . He should be commended. Being called crazy and stereotyping is part of sharing the cross .

 

[Captain_America]

Rather than report the guy, she should man up and talk to him directly about this.

 

[GregorysArmy]

I would talk to her about her beliefs . what they are ? in a nice way of course.

Invite her to come to church and see for herself .

maybe talk to her about the Chinese demand for rhino horn which has just about driven rhino into extinctions in Africa. Prices shoot up on Chinese new year. Incidentally do they have rhino year in their calendar? a uestion she should pose to the kids

china executes more people than all other countries combined . they execute people in vans .there are those who say they pick the guy from the street and dispatch him right there and then in the van . his liver is sold. China actually has the cheapest liver transplant rates. People from Africa go there to get liver transplant for like 50 thousand US dollars . very popular in Africa …get your new liver in china

and how about cultural revolution. Fascinating them cultural secularist practices and life styles and where they lead .

You watch Chinese Kung Fu movies ? uaully in movies people start shootng and killing each other over some serious grievances. But I don’t know about these kung fu movies. The guy so much as looks at the other guy and he wants to take his eyes out . make me laugh so hard I almost fall off the chair .

You know something ? The world is very very veeeerrry blessed the US is the super power . just wait till china becomes the super power and see what happens to you . you have no idea what is going on.

What is this class anway ? anthropology class for brainwashing kids ? prpare them to flip hamburgers for living when they graduate ?

Words of advice . take steps necessary to protect yourself from adverse legal action. Story does not add up. Better for you to put your rationalizations aside.

all in all It is very refreshing to see a catholic a mere custodian, taking a stand . He should be commended. Being called crazy and stereotyping is part of sharing the cross .

I think some of your assumptions are extremely offensive. Children in America come from all different backgrounds and where she teaches, there are a lot of Korean students for whom Chinese New Year is celebrated. This is an art class where children are taught about all different kinds and styles of art. She is not teaching them about religion or brainwashing them. Extremism is not effective in bringing people into the faith. I’m not calling the custodian crazy, she is. Some of our beliefs are difficult for people on the outside to understand. The issue here is forcing our faith on someone without their permission. I will pray for you to get more compassion and understanding in your heart.

 

[wadramli]

if I offended you I apologize. But you said the custodian said to her that she shouldn’t teach kids different cultures or things he doesn’t believe in . the use of the conjunction here suggests to me that different cultures is to be taken as the same as things he does not believe in. then as an example you provided the Chinese calendar . Conclusion ,she is teaching stuff probably like paganism because if she was teaching the mathematical aspect of the calendar only then she wouldn’t be teaching things the custodian does not believe in and the custodian wouldn’t have objected .

First you worked in the school system. Now the class is an art class with Korean kids with Korean calendar getting taught Chinese calendar.hmm. With every post you seem to add more information that seem to add flavor to the situation . you’re not by an chance making this up ?

Personally I find about the math by the Catholics who rigged that calendar for the Chinese centuries ago interesting . would love to artistically study some of the work but then the Chinese rulers back then hanged the catholic bishops and sold Christians to the Muslims. Butchered and eradicated christians . The “lamas “ went on the rampage and butchered all the christian missionaries and their families .the nice peace loving Lamas murdering Christian women and children , isn’t that shocking? But then again that religion adherents bludgeoned people with clubs in Cambodia to save on bullets

Okay two words we now have , report and offensive:

I counted 18 different spy agencies here in Africa operating in areas with valuable mineral deposits and in certain cities . That’s what they do. They report , report report report . that’s who they’re .they spy on people and they spy on each other . then they make their reports . if you’re someone of significance and if someone high on the party or intelligence or army is specially displeased by the report about you and he pops up the question : who does he think he is ? “ then that is a kill order . That means the person is a dead man walking so to speak .

I always wondered how do they live that way . one day I figured it out . they have so many spies that invariably anyone who is at risk has at least one relative working in one agency or another or the party or army so that if he is reported the relative helps get him off the hook . You’re not connected that way and someone makes that report you’re in deep trouble.

There was a case here where they had one of them “reporters “ who infiltrated one of the cathedrals frequented by citizens from that country , citizens of his country .

Offensive . is it possible to talk or ask a question without being offensive ? Not over there

They like to use that word offensive . He offended the revolution. Kill him

Did you see that movie from back in the day called enter the dragon starring Bruce lee . Bruce lee says to the guy “ you have offended me , offended my family and offended the Shaolin temple .

Offensive also works else where . Offensive cartoon got Charlie and his cartoonist machine gunned to death.

Gregorysarmy . Gregorian calendar ? what army ? Pope Gregory XIII ?Tapping my fingers here . them subliminal I don’t know what . funny . what’s the point ? mistakes were made ? too much evangelism killed the missionaries ? is that what this is leading to ???

godbless you for praying for me mister gregorysarmy.

 

[DakiniArtist]

I have an acquaintance who has come to me for help. She works in a school with a custodian who is a very (she says crazy) devout Catholic. He keeps lecturing her and says she shouldn’t teach children about different cultures or things he doesn’t believe in. An example of this is when she had the students do a project about Chinese New Year. He won’t take subtle hints that his comments are unwelcome and she says she is now afraid of him. She is considering recording him and reporting him to her superiors. What should I tell her to do?

Let her know, please, this is not normal faith-based behavior. This seems less evangelical and more proselytizing, and off-putting. Is he helping her in any way? Doubtful. Just putting her on the defensive.

She needs to be blunt with him. I get it; I don’t like being the bad guy either! “Thanks for being concerned, however I’m uncomfortable talking with you about this.”

She needs to report this. His boundaries are awful and he’s probably sharing his “message” with other staff and with the kids. He has his own family to provide for, fine. Your friend is not responsible for him learning appropriate boundaries and proper work ethics.

Sorry if this sounds harsh. Many well-meaning folks have shoved faith down my son’s throat in these situations. Folks have done this to me too but by the grace of God I still found the Church. My son thinks all Christians are close-minded and think he’s going to hell because he was agnostic (now atheist).

The best Christians I knew growing up were kind, selfless, and loved me and were patient regardless of my shenanigans. True witnesses. This fellow is over that line and most assuredly won’t win converts this way. I’m protective of my Church, my faith, and my God, and I get aggravated with this type of behavior.

Let us know how she handles this! Praying for all involved!!!

 

[GregorysArmy]

Let her know, please, this is not normal faith-based behavior. This seems less evangelical and more proselytizing, and off-putting. Is he helping her in any way? Doubtful. Just putting her on the defensive.

She needs to be blunt with him. I get it; I don’t like being the bad guy either! “Thanks for being concerned, however I’m uncomfortable talking with you about this.”

She needs to report this. His boundaries are awful and he’s probably sharing his “message” with other staff and with the kids. He has his own family to provide for, fine. Your friend is not responsible for him learning appropriate boundaries and proper work ethics.

Sorry if this sounds harsh. Many well-meaning folks have shoved faith down my son’s throat in these situations. Folks have done this to me too but by the grace of God I still found the Church. My son thinks all Christians are close-minded and think he’s going to hell because he was agnostic (now atheist).

The best Christians I knew growing up were kind, selfless, and loved me and were patient regardless of my shenanigans. True witnesses. This fellow is over that line and most assuredly won’t win converts this way. I’m protective of my Church, my faith, and my God, and I get aggravated with this type of behavior.

Let us know how she handles this! Praying for all involved!!!

Thank you. I did talk to her on Wednesday and told her it was my opinion that she should report and document each interaction. I told her I was sorry that he was doing this and not to judge all Catholics by this behavior. I told her that it really is a beautiful faith. I found out that she did talk to him a few days earlier and told him very firmly that she had to follow her curriculum and if he had a problem with it to take it to the administration. She said he got mad and stomped out of the room. I offered to hang out in her room after school so she won’t be alone with him. I’ll let you know if anything else comes of this.