Traditional and Obedient to Pope

[floresco]

Does anyone know of a compilation of Catholic organizations that are traditional and obedient to the Pope? If not, could you help me to make one?

By traditional I mean people who would come under the care of the Ecclesia Dei Commission, i.e. those who prefer to attend the EF. That is the defining characteristic, but it tends to be accompanied by others. For example, there is a tendency to adopt practices no longer required by Canon law as devotional practices, such as method of fasting and women wearing head-coverings. There are also characteristic theological concerns over perceived contradictions between recent and older Church teachings.

The PCED has the task of helping those who are obedient to the Magisterium to achieve their rightful aspirations. The PCED also works toward reconciliation with those who are not obedient. This “obedient or not” seems like a good way to analyze the situation as I am trying to get my head around it.

Some groups like FSSP are pretty well known, but I am hoping to find out about less well known ones too.

 

[Dee_S]

This is a list of those communities using the Tridentine Mass, but not necessarily Ecclesia Dei communities. Perhaps it will be helpful
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communities_using_the_Tridentine_Mass

Ecclesia Dei Religious Communities for Men
cloisters.tripod.com/id71.html

The most interesting is FSSP - Priestly Fraternity of St Peter-a great website with all the information that one could want about them and where they can be found.
fssp.org/en/index.htm

Decree erecting the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter, 18 October 1988

This Pontifical Commission “Ecclesia Dei”, in virtue of the special faculties granted to it by the Sovereign Pontiff, and graciously accepting the petition of the Reverend Father Josef Bisig, by this selfsame Decree erects the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter as a clerical society of Apostolic Life with Pontifical Right, according to the prescribed norms of Canon Law and with all the legal consequences involved. This same Fraternity of St. Peter proposes the sanctification of priests through the exercise of the pastoral ministry, particularly in conforming its life to the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and by observing the liturgical and disciplinary traditions invoked by the Roman Pontiff in the Apostolic Letter Ecclesia Dei of 2 July 1988, given “Motu Proprio”.
fssp.org/en/decerec.htm

 

[floresco]

Thank you, Dee. That is very helpful. I do not see Congregation of the Oratory there. I wonder why it was left out.

I am also interested in organizations for laity like Una Voce and Familia Sancti Hieronymi.

 

[AdDeum]

There’s also Juventutem with chapters worldwide. There is a chapter in Michigan (Juventutem Michigan).

Juventutem is for young adults (I think til 30-35?). I’m not in it though… I’m too old.

 

[Melchior_1]

Franciscans of the Immaculate have permission to do the EF most of the time, if I’m not mistaken.

 

[floresco]

There’s also Juventutem with chapters worldwide. There is a chapter in Michigan (Juventutem Michigan).

Juventutem is for young adults (I think til 30-35?). I’m not in it though… I’m too old.

I have heard of this, but since I am too old for it, I had forgotten. That should definitely be included. Thanks.

 

[floresco]

Franciscans of the Immaculate have permission to do the EF most of the time, if I’m not mistaken.

Thanks. I think they are included in the Wikipedia list. ( I would never have though of checking Wikipedia for this info.)

 

[Dee_S]

Thank you, Dee. That is very helpful. I do not see Congregation of the Oratory there. I wonder why it was left out.

Possibly it’s an older list that has not been updated recently.
There is plenty of information about them here:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oratory_of_Saint_Philip_Neri

I am also interested in organizations for laity like Una Voce and Familia Sancti Hieronymi.

“The International Una Voce Federation has played an important role in supporting the use of the 1962 edition of the Roman Missal in obedience to the directives of the Holy See. For this valuable service I express my gratitude to the members of the Federation and extend my blessing.”
Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, Prefect of the congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, speaking to the Una Voce Federation, 25 July 1996

Una Voce (from the Preface of the Most Holy Trinity – with one voice) is an international federation of associations, founded in 1966 in Rome, that now includes national associations in 17 nations on every continent. It is dedicated to ensuring that the Roman Mass codified by St. Pius V is maintained as one of the forms of eucharistic worship which are honored in universal liturgical life, and to restoring the use of Latin, Gregorian Chant, and sacred polyphony in Catholic liturgy. The Una Voce International website provides information about officers and national associations:
unavoce.org/about/

The Order of Saint Jerome or Hieronymites (Latin: Ordo Sancti Hieronymi, abbreviated O.S.H.) is a Roman Catholic enclosed religious order and a common name for several congregations of hermits living according to the Rule of Saint Augustine, with supplementary regulations taken from the writings of the 5th-century monk and scholar, Saint Jerome (actual Doctor of the Church). The principal group with this name was founded in Spain and Portugal in the 14th century. Their traditional habit is a white tunic with a brown, hooded scapular and a brown mantle.[1]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymites

Very interesting viewing all of this. Thanks for starting this thread, we all have a lot to learn and how to find and support tradition is a very good idea all round.

 

[Dee_S]

Thanks. I think they are included in the Wikipedia list. ( I would never have though of checking Wikipedia for this info.)

believe it or not, it’s usually my first stop when looking for information - if I want more, then at least it has pointed me in the right direction…which is more than you can say for most other websites these days.

 

[floresco]

The Order of Saint Jerome or Hieronymites (Latin: Ordo Sancti Hieronymi, abbreviated O.S.H.) is a Roman Catholic enclosed religious order and a common name for several congregations of hermits living according to the Rule of Saint Augustine, with supplementary regulations taken from the writings of the 5th-century monk and scholar, Saint Jerome (actual Doctor of the Church). The principal group with this name was founded in Spain and Portugal in the 14th century. Their traditional habit is a white tunic with a brown, hooded scapular and a brown mantle.[1]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymites

This is not what I was thinking of. I meant the lay organization. Familia Sancti Hieronymi. This is their websitehieronymus.us.com/

All faithful Roman Catholics may become members of this association who agree to dedicate themselves to the following ends:

Sincere love for the Holy Father and a devoted obedience to His Supreme Magisterium;

Intense commitment to the spiritual life, striving to union with God according to the teaching and the example of so many Saints;

Diligent study and use of the Latin language, the living language of the Roman Catholic Church, in order to arrive at a sound command of the language in reading, thinking, speaking and writing.

As you can see, their main focus is on Latin language rather than liturgy, but they tend to prefer the EF, so I consider them traditional Catholic.

Very interesting viewing all of this. Thanks for starting this thread, we all have a lot to learn and how to find and support tradition is a very good idea all round.

I think that some people associate the traditional Catholic movement with disobedience. The disobedient are often the ones who are vocal or well-known. I think it is helpful to become more aware of the traditional Catholics who are obedient to the Magisterium.

 

[Leon_Bloy]

Thank you, Dee. That is very helpful. I do not see Congregation of the Oratory there. I wonder why it was left out.

I am also interested in organizations for laity like Una Voce and Familia Sancti Hieronymi.

The Congregation of the Oratory is not “traditional,” but is a regular religious congregation like any other. Some of them happen to be really “into” honoring traditional practices and aesthetical values that are less in fashion now, however.

Now that - since Summorum - anybody can use the 1962 Missal, I don’t see the point in using the word “traditional.”

To me, *being Catholic *means being faithful to Catholic tradition and obedient to the Pope. Being a Catholic who is anything else makes you possibly a schismatic or heretic.

 

[floresco]

The Congregation of the Oratory is not “traditional,” but is a regular religious congregation like any other. Some of them happen to be really “into” honoring traditional practices and aesthetical values that are less in fashion now, however.

Now that - since Summorum - anybody can use the 1962 Missal, I don’t see the point in using the word “traditional.”

To me, *being Catholic *means being faithful to Catholic tradition and obedient to the Pope. Being a Catholic who is anything else makes you possibly a schismatic or heretic.

The Holy Father, by the creation of the Ecclesia Dei Commission, has shown that he recognizes Catholics who are attached to the EF as a distinct group within the Church with specific needs and concerns. This group exists. I am using the word “traditional” to name it because that name is already associated with this group.

The purpose of this thread is to gather resources to help people who are attached to the EF to be obedient to the Pope. It is not helpful or on topic to question the existence of a distinct group of people who are attached to the EF.

 

[Saints_Alive]

The Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer
papastronsay.blogspot.com/

 

[floresco]

The Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer
papastronsay.blogspot.com/

If these are the ones I am thinking of, they were not always in communion with the Pope. It is encouraging that some have been able to overcome this.

 

[Melchior_1]

If these are the ones I am thinking of, they were not always in communion with the Pope. It is encouraging that some have been able to overcome this.

There’s a group of them that came back, they have a different name now though. I forget which group is which

 

[Lormar]

If these are the ones I am thinking of, they were not always in communion with the Pope. It is encouraging that some have been able to overcome this.

They are the ones that used to be affiliated with the SSPX.

 

[paulcschultz]

Hello, from Juventutem Michigan.

In our state, we welcome as members: clergy of all ages, single people from 18-35, and married folk for a few more years beyond that.

We’ve had a great inaugural year (partially summarized here), including a nice write-up from the paper of the Archdiocese of Detroit and a standing room only congregation for the Pontifical Requiem Mass for Nellie Gray that we organized in DC, on the occasion of the March for Life. Pictures here.
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In addition to our existing sister chapter - Juventutem Boston - we know of groups getting started in Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, and Virginia, and would be glad to put any young adult (or any donor!) in touch with other groups that we know of in other places, that are trying to get of the ground.

God bless.

 

[floresco]

Hello, from Juventutem Michigan.

In our state, we welcome as members: clergy of all ages, single people from 18-35, and married folk for a few more years beyond that.
In addition to our existing sister chapter - Juventutem Boston - we know of groups getting started in Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, and Virginia, and would be glad to put any young adult (or any donor!) in touch with other groups that we know of in other places, that are trying to get of the ground.

God bless.

Thank you very much for providing this information.