Traditional English catholic liturgy

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I’m looking for information on the pre-Reformation English rite Liturgy, any help would be appreciated!
 
I’m sure this is a stupid answer, but wouldn’t that have been the same Latin Mass that was celebrated everywhere else?
 
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I’m sure this is a stupid answer, but wouldn’t that have been the same Latin Mass that was celebrated everywhere else?
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No, the pre-reformation rite in the UK was the Sarum rite or more properly the Use of Sarum, just like Milan had the Ambrosian rite, Portugal the Braga rite, and Toledo the Mozarabic rite. The Use of Sarum started out in Salisbury but eventually spread throughout the UK.

The TLM was just one of the many rites that existed before the Reformation, and happened to be the one retained at Trent (which was a response to the Reformation), except for a few other well-established rites which continued past Trent (e.g. the Ambrosian).

The Use of Sarum sort of died out in the Church after the Reformation. It was initially retained by the reformed Church in the UK, but gradually evolved into what the Anglicans use today. There has been a bit of a mini-revival of it in recent years. One of my co-members of the Gregorian Institute of Canada, whom I know as we both at various times served on its board, is a scholar on this rite at McMaster University in Canada.

Those who complain about the many “options” allowed in the OF Mass often forget that unity did not always mean uniformity and before Trent there were many rites. Even after Trent a few of these rites such as the Ambrosian, survived. Trent did introduce a large element of standardization, there was still some variety allowed.

Musically, post-Trent, there was also great variety as Gregorian chant entered a period of decline, or rather it was denatured, until the Solesmes restorations in the late 19th century.
 
Also check out the Anglican Rite, celebrated at parishes in the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter (a diocese of parishes spread around the USA). It’s a lot like Tridentine in English, but with a few Catholic-ized versions of Anglican prayers added. I attend an Ordinariate parish (Our Lady of the Atonement) regularly, and I love it- always reverently celebrated and traditional. Here’s their website:
https://church.atonementonline.com
And the Ordinariate homepage:

 
Thanks, I couldn’t for the life of me remember the name of the rite. Great info and you put me on to additional sites regarding the Sarum rite! Thanks to everyone for you (name removed by moderator)ut!
 
What rite does the Anglican use celebrate, Novus Ordo, Sarum rite, or some modification of the Book of Common Prayer? I’ve attended Anglican and Episcopal services and find them very similar to the Novus Ordo.
 
OraLabora said:
The TLM was just one of the many rites that existed before the Reformation, and happened to be the one retained at Trent (which was a response to the Reformation), except for a few other well-established rites which continued past Trent (e.g. the Ambrosian).
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Those who complain about the many “options” allowed in the OF Mass often forget that unity did not always mean uniformity and before Trent there were many rites.
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This. Neither the liturgy of Rome nor latin were close to universal before Trent.

Some dioceses used the Roman use, others had there own, others used the Liturgy of St. John Chrysotum (the norm in the East), and several others were in use, including Sarum, Ambrosian, mozarabic (?), and others.

Several orders had their own rite, too. (I was told recently that there was a Jesuit usage, but I’m skeptical: the idea that the “Pope’s Marines” used anything but the liturgy of Rome is odd enough, but they were formed for the counter-reformation, and Trent required 200 years of use before Trent for a use to survive)
For that matter, Latin, though common, was far from universal.
 
In many places, the faithful would have attended Mass at a monastery, especially in rural areas as they were often the closest churches in an era where travel was difficult and dangerous, and they were also often the centres of rural trade in commodities.

In these places, a territorial abbey would have had the role of “diocese” and the Abbot Nullius took the place of the bishop. There are still a few left, the last one in Canada was St. Peter’s abbey in Saskatchewan but for some time now has returned to the status of a regular abbey. Benedictines always tended to follow local rites until Trent, and the Roman Rite after Trent, but Cistercians in particular had their own rite which I believe they kept after Trent.
 
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