"Traditional" Mendicant Male Orders?

[LoyalViews]

So with all of this said, just because a man has preference of the EF over the OF, it does not automatically mean that he has a vocation to the priesthood with the FSSP, ICRSS, etc…, because even the FSSP and ICRSS although not orders, do have a certain charism (style, or point of life).

OP. God will put you where he needs you!

 

[per_Mariam_Dei]

Are there any “traditional” mendicant male orders? By “traditional” I mean an order that only celebrates the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass according to the 1962 missal and prays the 1962 Divine Office. I just can’t seem to find any…

I’m considering a vocation to the religious life, and I’m really looking for a “traditional” order. In particular I’m interested in the discalced Carmelites.

At this point I’d be delighted to find even a liturgically and theologically conservative order for men.

Check the Traditional Vocations blog; it lists, e.g., this: Monks of Mary of Mount Carmel – www.carmelitemonks.org

 

[Franciscanguy]

The three Rules are an interesting case historically. The only one that was “written by Francis” is the 1st Order and even then he certainly had help (I love the story of Francis dragging Hugolino before the brothers then dressing him down about which Rule to follow). He provides a form of life, so to speak, for Clare and the Third Order. In Clare’s case we are not entirely sure what that was. There are hints of it in her approved Rule but we have nothing specific. The Third Order we think the original rule was a document called the “Second Letter to the Faithful.” This too was not a Rule proper but a kind of “way of life.” Clare gets the Rule she wrote approved the day before she dies. Then the Popes spend a lot of energy trying to tone it down and take away parts of it the most important of which is the “Privilege of Poverty” which allowed the Sisters to own nothing.

The Third Order Regular (as opposed to secular) goes through several approved Rules and as Bro. JR said the most recent one was written in 1978. One of my professors was the… i guess you could say facilitator and expert who was present for the sessions where it was written. So, I took a class entirely dedicated to the Third Order Rule from the guy who basically wrote it. (interesting stories) What he pointed out was a big goal for them was to find a way to link all the chapters together. If you look at the Rule itself you can see how that works. Each chapter leads to the next. The exception is Chapter IV but that is for another post.

Anyway, those stories over the Rules are fascinating and full of intrigue.

The other thing that needs to be addressed is the poster who said “You are looking for a Traditional Mendicant order ?

You should look into the Capuchins of Morgon, France. They are associated with the Society of Saint Pius X, and obviously you will get nothing but pure, undefiled Catholic Tradition (the true spirit of St Francis) and the '62 Missal and Divine Office.”

I am not sure what “pure, undefiled Catholic Tradition” is. I am also fairly sure that if you mean “the way things used to and ought to be” than you have no idea who Francis was. The Francis I know was a man ahead of his time and still firmly rooted in obedience to the Church. I cases where he did disagree, say his disapproval of the Crusade that was called during his day, he protested within obedience. He is obsessed with the Eucharist and its centrality to his life which those out of communion with Rome, by definition, do not have.

 

[april32010]

The other thing that needs to be addressed is the poster who said “You are looking for a Traditional Mendicant order ?

You should look into the Capuchins of Morgon, France. They are associated with the Society of Saint Pius X, and obviously you will get nothing but pure, undefiled Catholic Tradition (the true spirit of St Francis) and the '62 Missal and Divine Office

This is not a legitimate or legal Franciscan order. forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=417763&highlight=Capuchins+of+Morgon%2C+France

 

[Fra_Angelo]

I would suggest Dominicans,(Order of Preachers), the Order which I am a member. Dominicans are well known for their orthodoxy and their appreciation for the Traditions.
God Bless You

 

[JReducation]

The Capuchins of Morgon are not a Franciscan Order. They have no recognition from a bishop. To be a Catholic community, at minimum, you need a letter from the local bishop recognizing your existence, authorizing your to open houses in his diocese, authorizing your to freely engage in your ministry in his diocese, authorizing you to make vows or to receive the vows of your members, even if privately and you must be under the care of the diocesan vicar for religious who is the link between the community and the diocese.

Once the order becomes an Pontifical institute, which can take decades, then it is no longer subject to the local bishop. This is called the Right of Exemption.

Morgon has claimed its on right of exemption not only from the local bishop, but also from the superior general of the Capuchin Franciscans.

It is very clear in the Rule of St. Francis that only Francis is to be regarded as the patriarch and superior of the order. He repeats this line of thinking in his testament, just days before his death. There was a question on the table, “Who is in charge when you die?”

Francis made it clear that he was in charge after he died and every superior after him is his canonical successor, meaning that their is a line of authority that cannot be broken, which imitates the line between the pope and bishops of today and Peter and the Apostles of yesteryear. In other words, just as Peter has not ceased to be Prince of the Apostles, Francis of Assisi has not ceased to be the Seraphic Patriarch of the Franciscan family.

Therefore, an alignment that involves ignoring your Franciscan superiors or refusing to cease your activities when commanded to do so, while aligning yourself with Archbishop Lefebvre excommunicates you from the Franciscan family, because it puts you out of communion with your brothers. Therefore, the founder of that Morgon group was dismissed and he may have even been excommunicated. The rule calls for excommunication or even imprisonment and execution of anyone who defies Francis or any of his canonical successors. The Rule of St. Francis for the mendicants has never been abrogated or modified by the Church. Only the Rule of Poor Clares and the Secular Franciscans have been revised. The rule for the mendicants has a provision in it that says that this rule was revealed by God himself and the Church has upheld this claim for 800 years.

Therefore, the men at Morgon are out of compliance with a rule that they have no authority to defy or blow off.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV