Transubstantiation Question

[the_storygirl]

I’m researching Transubstantiation, and I wonder, is the wine Christ’s blood, or is Christ’s blood the wine? I mean, I understand that it becomes Christ’s blood, but is it also still wine? I think John 6 implies this: “For My blood is real drink.” and also, at the Last Supper: “I will not drink of this fruit of the vine…” He spoke of it as wine, even though He had already lifted it. So is it both? Or what? Is the Host the same?

 

[RSiscoe]

The wine actually turns into Christ’s blood. After the consecration there is no more wine; it only looks like wine.

Transubstantiation means that the “substance” is transformed. The substance, which is at first wine, is transformed into the literal blood of Christ, with only the “accidents” (that is, “physical appearance”) of wine remaining.

 

[Church_Militant]

the_storygirl:

I’m researching Transubstantiation, and I wonder, is the wine Christ’s blood, or is Christ’s blood the wine? I mean, I understand that it becomes Christ’s blood, but is it also still wine? I think John 6 implies this: “For My blood is real drink.” and also, at the Last Supper: “I will not drink of this fruit of the vine…” He spoke of it as wine, even though He had already lifted it. So is it both? Or what? Is the Host the same?

Hi Storygirl, Good Question!

We believe that the appearances of the bread and wine remain, but that they are miraculously changed into the real body and blood, soul and Divinity of the risen Lord Jesus. That means that the appearances are irrelevent to the spiritual reality. There is substantial (no pun intended ) Scriptural evidence for this in the NT, so please forgive me if all I do is give you the passages to look up, but please feel free to PM or e-mail me from this site if you need more help with this. It won’t be a problem at al, at all.

John 6:25-70, Matthew 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-24, Luke 22:17-20, Luke 24:30-35, 1st Corinthians 10:14-17, and 1st Corinthians 11:23-29. We often refer to this doctrine as “the Real Presence” and here are some liinks to good articles that may also help your research:
catholic.com/library/Institution_of_the_Mass.asp
catholic.com/library/Sacrifice_of_the_Mass.asp
catholic.com/library/Christ_in_the_Eucharist.asp
catholic.com/library/Real_Presence.asp
catholic.com/library/Who_Can_Receive_Communion.asp

 

[the_storygirl]

But why, then, does Jesus refer to the cup as “the fruit of the vine” after transubstantiation ought to have taken place?

 

[Verbum]

Hi, Story___,

The sequence of the Mass of Corpus Christi, written by St. Thomas Aquinas has this :

The teaching received by Christians
Is that the bread is changed into the flesh
And the wine into the blood.

What you do not perceive or see,
Your lively faith confirms,
Outside the [normal] order of things.

We say that Christ’s body and blood is present under the appearances of bread and wine. Your eyes and your other senses are deceiving you. Only the “eyes of faith” allow you to see the reality.

Verbum

 

[MrS]

the_storygirl:

But why, then, does Jesus refer to the cup as “the fruit of the vine” after transubstantiation ought to have taken place?

He is saying “He will not drink of the fruit of the vine…”

He is referring to the fourth cup in the traditional Passover feast. In other words, He has fullfilled the Passover of the OT with the Mass of the NT.

Also… just a thought I had once in adoration… “fruit of the vine…”

Jesus is the Vine… His Real Presence is His gift to us… a wonderful “fruit” of His ministry…

 

[the_storygirl]

Oh, I get it! is extremely pleased Thank you for your help!