Tridentine Mass.

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Not exactly relevant to the discussion as it is now, but in case somebody brings this up:

It’s a common misconception that the ‘Vulgate’ part of the Vulgate means that the work was translated into Vulgar Latin. The term versio vulgata originally meant ‘common(ly-used) version’: in St. Jerome’s time, this referred to only one thing: the Greek Septuagint (which was, after all, the “common version” of the Scriptures among Christians) and by extension, its translations into Latin. The term itself is a calque of the Greek phrase koinē ekdoseis. This is the sense in which St. Augustine and even St. Jerome himself understood and use the phrase, and the sense the term was used down to the Middle Ages.

St. Jerome’s translations originally never had a specific name, so when people had to refer to them they usually used general terms such as ‘our books’ (codices nostri) or ‘our version’ (editio nostra). Friar Roger Bacon in the 13th century is usually credited as the first person to apply the adjective vulgata to Jerome’s translations - which had, after all, now become the ‘common version’ among Western Christians at the time even though they were now mostly speaking Vulgar Latin’s offspring - though his personal usage was inconsistent as he also apparently used it in its original meaning (the Septuagint and its translations). Gradually however the name stuck, and Trent’s reference to the vetus et vulgata editio further cemented this usage.
 
FrancisB, again you’re speaking like every vernacular has equal weight in philosophy and liturgy, which I can’t agree with. I would agree with you about using a side-by-side type of vernacular, if that’s what you’re espousing in the missionary church. But to replace a time-proven standard under a span of 250-some Popes with subjective translations going every which way is not my idea of a unified faith going forward. All the writings in the 60’s by Omlor and others questioning the very validity of an all-English canon and people leaving the Church show the imprudence of doing this. And witness all the English Bibles which all claim to be the truth, even though there appear to be contradictions between some of them. Perhaps St. Thomas More had a valid point and I’ll leave it at that. I’m done with the thread.
 
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