Trump Versus Jesus

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This will be fairly lengthy, so I’ve decided to divide this up into at least a couple of posts.

Can one really believe in Trump and Jesus? Notice I use the word “in” and not just some things about either or both. I’ve chosen three different areas of basic morality to cover between these two, namely materialism, hedonism, and honesty. So, how do they stack up? First of all, let me deal with Trump.

MATERIALISM

I doubt very much that anyone who watches even just occasional news stories would doubt for one minute that Trump is highly materialistic. He constantly brags about his wealth and all that he owns, he refused to divest of his business holdings, which even some of his advisers told him could result in some rather serious problems. He ignored them.

He golfs way more than Obama did, and yet he always was critical of when Obama did, and he also critical when Obama went on vacation. Yet, in less than one year, his costs were more than Obama accumulated during his entire presidency in regards to protecting he and his family.

But the main thing here is really quite simple: with Trump, it’s money, money, money, along with all the luxuries money can buy.

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You don’t have to like a president’s lifestyle to approve of his policies.
 
whyeyeman said:
You don’t have to like a president’s lifestyle to approve of his policies.
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Exactly. I don’t like Trump as a person, and I didn’t vote for him, but I do approve of almost all of his stated policies.

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HEDONISM

Do I really need to say much about Trump’s hedonism that already isn’t known? Adultery: bragging about his many affairs; bragging about his penis size and Ivanka’s breast size; sneaking in to watch teenage girls and women changing clothes: bragging how he can “move on” a women and “grope” their genitals; his constant name-calling (a form of bullying); his declaring for seven years that Obama wasn’t born in the States; his questioning Obama’s education; etc., etc., etc.

HONESTY

How honest is Trump? According to a tabulation by the Washington Post, he has publicly lied or made misleading statements at least 2001 times since becoming president. He’s been in over 1450 lawsuits, and the ones against him, most of which he lost, usually involved not repaying loans or not paying sub-contractors. He is considered such as huge risk that western bankers don’t loan to him any longer. In his last deposition, he lied or misled during testimony over 30 times.

Now, I’m not even getting into Trump’s rather clear “obstruction of justice” when he admitted firing Comey to try and stop the investigation on possible Russian collusion, nor some of the other charges that may be brought up. There are some other things that have been alleged, but we’ll have to wait for Mueller’s report to see what may else he may or may not have done.

BTW, even Trump’s lawyers and many supporters are obviously afraid of Trump possibly testifying since he is just so utterly dishonest.

So, before we take a look at Jesus, what is it about Trump that is moral? List them if you can.

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So, let’s take a look at Jesus and his record.

MATERIALISM

Was Jesus materialistic, in terms of the acquisition of wealth and/or power? Hardly. He told the prince to give his wealth away; he cited the widow who “gave or her needs”; in the Sermon On the Mount he demanded help for the disenfranchised; in the Parable of the Sheep & Goats, he condemned the latter for not helping those in need. He lived modestly as did the apostles, the latter sharing their incomes with each other, according to Acts.

HEDONISM

Was Jesus hedonistic? What did he say about adultery? Could you picture him “groping” a woman? bragging about his penis size or Mary’s breast size? spending lots of money at one of Trump’s casinos? make fun of people? Etc.

HONESTY

Did Jesus lie? bear false witness? “obstruct justice”? I seriously don’t think I have to take this category any further than that.

CONCLUSION

I don’t think there’s anyway possible that one can believe in both Trump and Jesus, so I guess one will have to decide which it will be. It is clear that some have chosen Trump, especially since they constantly defend him almost no matter what he says and does.

I can better understand why some voted for him, but I simply think it is morally appalling that some still defend almost anything he says and does. Even if one likes having more money in their pocket, is that a moral justification to ignore the rest? Is money more important than morality? Maybe it’s a good time for some to evaluate whether they’re also materialistic, or hedonistic, or dishonest or some combination.

Because I simply cannot justify how someone can support such a man, and because it makes me sick to my stomach when I see some trying to excuse the evil that Trump continues to do on pretty much a daily basis, I am going to excuse myself from any further discussion of Trump to spend more time on the more religious threads. I may return some day, but don’t hold your breath. And to be clear, I have never said anything like what I posted in these last several posts of mine about any other president. BTW, I also felt that Clinton should have resigned, so I’m really not that partisan

In closing, let me recommend the book “Imitation of Christi” by Thomas Kempis if one hasn’t read it, because he deals with the necessity of choosing which direction to go, that of materialism, hedonism, and dishonesty, or that of Jesus.

Take care.
 
OH yes Trump is a sinner, I’m even sure he is a big one! Just like all of us. Just like you Metis. You and I are also egregious sinners that do not deserve a place in Heaven for all we have done.

Thank our God the Father for sending his Son to to redeem the world and that we know have a chance to be with him in heaven.

That is how much God loves us, each of us, You; me and yes even Trump for all his faults. One of the most amazing things I about God is how he can use the biggest sinner to do his work. That is what I see happening here with Trump.

I mean you can’t argue with the good that has been acomplished. #1 good is a great SCOTUS pick. This by far is the best thing that has come out of his presindency and I pray he gets a chance to place another awesome judge on the bench. We also have a move back to protect our religious freedoms that have been eroded over the last 8 years.

God Bless you MR. President. May God see fit to give you six more years.
 
Ah so do you have a politician in mind that would be closer to being more Jesus like?
 
The Christian Left’s drive to equate political differences with religious heresy proceeds apace.
 
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Is there a news story here? I am going to suggest this belongs in another thread.
 
In this thread, you can see a case of Trump Derangement Syndrome in one of its advanced stages.
 
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It’s really just a continuation of the Catholic Left’s decades long push to make their political opinions into Catholic Doctrine to make disagreement the equivalent of heresy. This predates Trump.
 
True, but the level of hysteria (among leftists of all religions and none) is new.
 
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I don’t think it’s fair to compare any politician to Jesus. However, I do think it is fair to judge a politician as you would judge someone who wanted to marry your child.

I have a 20 year old daughter. Knowing what I do about Trump, if he were 50 years younger, would I want her to marry him? Absolutely not! I would not want my child involved with a man with his character no matter how wealthy he may be. Even if he promised to make MY life better, I would tell him to get lost, because I love my daughter and I know you can never trust a man like Trump (or Bill Clinton either).

So, if I wouldn’t trust him with my daughter, why would I trust him with my country? Only if I didn’t really love my country. Only if my motivation was based on anger & resentment.

The GOP base had some great choices in the primaries, but they married Trump. Now we all have to live with the consequences.
 
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It’s really sorta hilarious, but in a rather pathetic way, that some have jumped to a conclusion about who I am, undoubtedly based on stereotyping, but that’s of no surprise since their Super-Hero, Trump, does much the same. If they only knew, but I’d rather just have them wallow around in their ignorance.
 
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It’s really just a continuation of the Catholic Left’s decades long push to make their political opinions into Catholic Doctrine to make disagreement the equivalent of heresy. This predates Trump.
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What Catholic doctrine has been influenced by the left? Please be specific.
 
Really do miss the ignore feature on the updated site. Some hypocritical posters are very worthy of it.
 
MidwestGuy said:
Really do miss the ignore feature on the updated site. Some hypocritical posters are very worthy of it.
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Click on the type of tracking and select Muted if you don’t want this to pop up in your feed. It is right above Suggested Topics.
 
Well, let’s see:

Killing Innocent Children. Neither Trump nor Jesus favors this. Virtually every Democrat does. So obviously, one can believe in Trump and Jesus, but not in any Democrats.

(Why does this thread even exist?)
 
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