Trust?

[DPMartin]

Is this sound, or is it refutable?

It is the Will of God that all men must trust, a man can not live without trust, even if a man’s will is not to trust anything not even himself nor that which he perceives, even if he don’t trust God or even that there is a God, in that is what he trusts. This is the (for the lack of a better description) paradigm, that man must live in, or he cannot live. He being mankind, must trust.

What to trust is the name of the game, and trust, is the Will of God that man cannot escape.

 

[JohnDamian]

It is not sound.

For; to compel a praxis against a volition; or to reverse a volition by a compulsion is not a Good act; it is an Evil act. God is incapable of an Evil act; and thus this act cannot be an act willed or acted by God.

A man cannot fully live and not have trust; but he can have live and not have trust; for God to make it so a man cannot live without trust; then the necessary element of our rational souls; that is free will - would be violated against the law of noncontradiction.

Thus; in either case; by compulsion or by action God cannot force that a man trusts or dies.

 

[DPMartin]

It is not sound.

For; to compel a praxis against a volition; or to reverse a volition by a compulsion is not a Good act; it is an Evil act. God is incapable of an Evil act; and thus this act cannot be an act willed or acted by God.

A man cannot fully live and not have trust; but he can have live and not have trust; for God to make it so a man cannot live without trust; then the necessary element of our rational souls; that is free will - would be violated against the law of noncontradiction.

Thus; in either case; by compulsion or by action God cannot force that a man trusts or dies.

John Damian

Nay my friend,

Ether the man trusts in the fulfillment of God’s Word, the Truth, or the man trusts in a lie, that which is otherwise, even if the man sees that he can believe his own truth, it promotes distrust in the fulfillment of God’s Word, the Truth.

Which is what happened in man’s gaining of the knowledge of good and evil in the first place. Therefore ether way man must trust, though it may be misplaced trust, he still is required to trust. Every day a man breaths he trusts something in order to live the day.

Which is the basis of the man’s actions, for the man acts in accordance to what he trusts.

 

[JohnDamian]

Which is the basis of the man’s actions, for the man acts in accordance to what he trusts.

Are you in a sense voicing an opinion that is deterministic?

We have free will; our volition or nolition is heirachically prior to our praxis and intellection; the objects of our intellect though they are heard by the will are not it’s compulsions.

 

[DPMartin]

Are you in a sense voicing an opinion that is deterministic?

We have free will; our volition or nolition is heirachically prior to our praxis and intellection; the objects of our intellect though they are heard by the will are not it’s compulsions.

John Damian

thanks for the reply

Free will for what? What is free will’s real value? Is free will what you trust? And if so, wouldn’t that be the basis of you actions? (your trust in “free will”). Because if you don’t base your actions on what you say you trust, then it’s just words. You actually trust something other then what you say.

 

[JohnDamian]

John Damian

thanks for the reply

Free will for what? What is free will’s real value? Is free will what you trust? And if so, wouldn’t that be the basis of you actions? (your trust in “free will”). Because if you don’t base your actions on what you say you trust, then it’s just words. You actually trust something other then what you say.

Trust is part of intellection or thought; free will is ultimatly prior to that in determining what actions we take; so even if we trust in a particular thing or know a particular thing we can act against it - this is consistent with experience.

 

[DPMartin]

Trust is part of intellection or thought; free will is ultimatly prior to that in determining what actions we take; so even if we trust in a particular thing or know a particular thing we can act against it - this is consistent with experience.

John Damian

thanks for the reply

I do believe I understand your point my friend in Christ. It could be that one agrees with another such as in this case God’s Covenant, Agreement with man. We now know as Jesus the Christ. But in such a agreement we being created and not the maker of the agreement, must learn to trust the agreement. Hence His Grace to forgive infraction of the agreement. Or the lack of fulfillment within the agreement. For before we received the Grace of the Agreement we would be held to any infraction for not submitting to the fulfillment of the agreement. (Repenting)

If I may use: Prov:6:23: For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

We being of the ground, and the Birth in Holy Spirit like unto the seed, being placed in the ground. We being of the ground submit to the instruction in the seed of Life, that we grow in to the Life that is in the seed of Life, and bare fruits unto the Lord of the Lord for it is of Him is the Life in the seed given.

We learn to trust the instructions of Life that is of God, but as the Israelites in their days in the dessert with Moses, must be proved out. And Moses told them more then once that it was God’s Grace that they survived it. But we trust in God’s fulfillment of His Agreement, His Word Given to men, in the Son of Man, our Lord Jesus Christ. That which is lacking in us is fulfilled in Jesus for us to be acceptable unto to Him. Did not Paul point out that in his concern for his inability to be rid of an infirmity that the Lord told him that God’s Grace is sufficient? Hence we trust that which Jesus bore on the Cross for us that it is sufficient for us to be justified to be in God’s Presence, in His Son’s Justification.

But in this learning we go from trusting our own ways and thinking unto trusting God’s Ways and Thinking (Mind of Christ).

Which really, I believe applies in all walks of life, what truly distinguishes man for any other creature made is that man can trust in a agreement with another. Even if the agreement might be with himself. For example set himself to fulfill a goal no matter what it takes. And if he is serious in this example, he trusts it can be done, or he trusts that it will not happen.