"Truth Overruled" Amazon Reviews

[JimG]

First Things magazine took note of some smear reviews of Ryan Anderson’s book:

“Such cases make it clear that the bile at Amazon is not a marginal expression. It’s part of the progressivist program, and it’s going to continue.”

Full article here: firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2015/07/the-amazon-smear

For a more balanced review of the book, see this Crisis Magazine article:
crisismagazine.com/2015/compelling-new-book-shreds-scotus-marriage-decision

 

[Kay_Cee]

It’s worse than you think.

My sister has been banned from Facebook for defending traditional morality, including traditional marriage.

Facebook claims she isn’t who she says she is and demanded that she prove her identity either by identifying some Filipino people in a photograph (we’re not Filipino) or sending Facebook a copy of a government issued ID.

Why would she allow people she doesn’t know to have a copy of her driver’s license? In this day and age of identity theft?

Anderson, at least, is allowed to get his message out. My sister has been totally silenced on a forum.

That’s what’s coming next: first silencing of those with opposing viewpoints and then the criminalization of expressing such views.

 

[Kenny_Kamel]

It’s worse than you think.

My sister has been banned from Facebook for defending traditional morality, including traditional marriage.

Facebook claims she isn’t who she says she is and demanded that she prove her identity either by identifying some Filipino people in a photograph (we’re not Filipino) or sending Facebook a copy of a government issued ID.

Why would she allow people she doesn’t know to have a copy of her driver’s license? In this day and age of identity theft?

Anderson, at least, is allowed to get his message out. My sister has been totally silenced on a forum.

That’s what’s coming next: first silencing of those with opposing viewpoints and then the criminalization of expressing such views.

I have heard account after account of people who have used Facebook to post about SSM, LGBT, etc from a Catholic perspective only to have everything removed. Last week I saw a post from Playboy that was pornographic in nature and reported it to Facebook, I even read over their rules regarding pornography and this post was in clear violation. They sent me a message that said it was within the rules! I took a three month hiatus from FB beginning in May only to get back on late last month… I’m ready to deactivate my account again.

 

[MarcoPolo]

It’s worse than you think.

My sister has been banned from Facebook for defending traditional morality, including traditional marriage.

Facebook claims she isn’t who she says she is and demanded that she prove her identity either by identifying some Filipino people in a photograph (we’re not Filipino) or sending Facebook a copy of a government issued ID.

Why would she allow people she doesn’t know to have a copy of her driver’s license? In this day and age of identity theft?

Anderson, at least, is allowed to get his message out. My sister has been totally silenced on a forum.

That’s what’s coming next: first silencing of those with opposing viewpoints and then the criminalization of expressing such views.

I would encourage your sister to find a media outlet, even if it has to be Catholic, to explain this story. If she is comfortable doing that, of course.

 

[edwest2]

Yes, I’ve seen book reviews of other religious books: “Keep your Bible out of my government.” says cj8731 (not a real fake ID)

A few years back I heard a woman from Canada who was a guest on Al Kresta’s show on Catholic Radio. She said some official body there has prohibited her from speaking the truth about homosexuality. So, here she is in America, telling her story. Far from being a caricature, she was well-spoken and really didn’t say anything that was outside the bounds of what the Church has been saying.

It’s sad that ‘forced compliance’ is being applied and incorrect comparisons are being made, especially regarding the Black Civil Rights Movement. I was there for that. As a black woman wrote, “I know people who used to be gay but I don’t know anyone who used to be black.”

Ed

 

[Midwest88]

I actually read “reviews” of it a couple of months before its release and many were negative - none had read it. I was thinking to myself, “I don’t believe that’s how book reviews work. One would have to read it first, right? What do I know - I’m just a bigoted person who believes in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Clause.”

 

[SMH_2015]

It’s worse than you think…

That’s what’s coming next: first silencing of those with opposing viewpoints and then the criminalization of expressing such views.

If people of faith don’t stand up & speak out NOW, it soon will be too late. It’s becoming clear those in church authority (of all denominations) have no backbone.

 

[Midwest88]

I have heard account after account of people who have used Facebook to post about SSM, LGBT, etc from a Catholic perspective only to have everything removed. Last week I saw a post from Playboy that was pornographic in nature and reported it to Facebook, I even read over their rules regarding pornography and this post was in clear violation. They sent me a message that said it was within the rules! I took a three month hiatus from FB beginning in May only to get back on late last month… I’m ready to deactivate my account again.

I only use FB to keep in touch with family & friends. Every now and then use it for networking. In terms of spreading my beliefs? No way. It’s way too political and I don’t need the heat from my family (one immediate family member is a homosexual) and loss of friends to ruin my social life, and make me a legit pariah. I’m too young to forfeit my career. Instead, I have set up a twitter account under an anonymous handle to reach out to the world about my stances on social issues.

 

[SMH_2015]

In terms of spreading my beliefs? No way. It’s way too political and I don’t need the heat from my family (one immediate family member is a homosexual) and loss of friends to ruin my social life, and make me a legit pariah.

Isn’t it sad, that in America, home of the First Amendment, you are afraid to state your own opinion?

 

[MonikaBarbara]

Yes, it is sad. VERY SAD.
Frankly, I would not be surprised if, one day in the future, Catholic/Christian people started to make the decision to move from America en-masse. You know what Christ said- if they persecute you in one town, flee to the next.

 

[mikekle]

Isn’t it sad, that in America, home of the First Amendment, you are afraid to state your own opinion?

Its almost comical that nowadays in the US, everyone claims to be so open minded, they claim to accept just about anything and everything, but if its not currently a popular belief or position, suddenly they are not open minded anymore…?? I believe the correct term for people like is hypocrites.

Sad they dont even realize what they are doing.

 

[xNoOnex]

It’s worse than you think.

My sister has been banned from Facebook for defending traditional morality, including traditional marriage.

Facebook claims she isn’t who she says she is and demanded that she prove her identity either by identifying some Filipino people in a photograph (we’re not Filipino) or sending Facebook a copy of a government issued ID.

Why would she allow people she doesn’t know to have a copy of her driver’s license? In this day and age of identity theft?

Anderson, at least, is allowed to get his message out. My sister has been totally silenced on a forum.

That’s what’s coming next: first silencing of those with opposing viewpoints and then the criminalization of expressing such views.

I’m pretty sure there’s more to this than your sister is telling you or there is a genuine misunderstanding on Facebook’s part that doesn’t involve someone’s religious view on homosexuality.

I’ve seen people post “white pride world wide” images of facebook and make outright bigoted comments about all sorts of things. No bans. No issues. No one cared.

Also, if we ever reach a point where the government will throw people in jail because they disagree with homosexual marriage, we’re in much deeper trouble than having to worry about gay marriage. Protectors of traditional marriage will be jailed with anarchists, radical libertarians, and a lot of other people. Since we’ll be living in an openly totalitarian state.

 

[Kay_Cee]

I’m pretty sure there’s more to this than your sister is telling you or there is a genuine misunderstanding on Facebook’s part that doesn’t involve someone’s religious view on homosexuality.

I’ve seen people post “white pride world wide” images of facebook and make outright bigoted comments about all sorts of things. No bans. No issues. No one cared.

Also, if we ever reach a point where the government will throw people in jail because they disagree with homosexual marriage, we’re in much deeper trouble than having to worry about gay marriage. Protectors of traditional marriage will be jailed with anarchists, radical libertarians, and a lot of other people. Since we’ll be living in an openly totalitarian state.

I’ve seen her posts. No foul language, nothing disrespectful to anyone of any race, religion, or culture. Nothing bigoted, unless you consider respectful promotion of traditional marriage bigoted.

As for people being prosecuted because they disagree with homosexual marriage, you’re lucky you don’t live in Canada: frontpagemag.com/fpm/179449/canadian-supreme-court-kills-last-hope-free-speech-bruce-bawer

Or in Sweden: christianheadlines.com/columnists/al-mohler/criminalizing-christianity-swedens-hate-speech-law-1277601.html

 

[frobert]

First Things magazine took note of some smear reviews of Ryan Anderson’s book:

“Such cases make it clear that the bile at Amazon is not a marginal expression. It’s part of the progressivist program, and it’s going to continue.”

Full article here: firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2015/07/the-amazon-smear

For a more balanced review of the book, see this Crisis Magazine article:
crisismagazine.com/2015/compelling-new-book-shreds-scotus-marriage-decision

I read about a dozen 1 star reviews, all of them said basically “same old same old.” Some did not say it with the greatest finesse none-the-less the message was the “same old same old.”

I brought up your link for your idea of a “balanced review” The title “Compelling New Book Shreds SCOTUS Marriage Decision” pretty much tells us the bias of the author. I stopped reading when I got to “Kennedy’s reflections read like psycho-babble that might have come from a college freshmen under the influence” Same old same old, so much for a “balanced review.”

Do not assume I am left or right.The only difference between the them are their respective undisciplined biases.

 

[xNoOnex]

I’ve seen her posts. No foul language, nothing disrespectful to anyone of any race, religion, or culture. Nothing bigoted, unless you consider respectful promotion of traditional marriage bigoted.

As for people being prosecuted because they disagree with homosexual marriage, you’re lucky you don’t live in Canada: frontpagemag.com/fpm/179449/canadian-supreme-court-kills-last-hope-free-speech-bruce-bawer

Or in Sweden: christianheadlines.com/columnists/al-mohler/criminalizing-christianity-swedens-hate-speech-law-1277601.html

Concerning the first link…

Outside of being an obviously agenda driven news website, the article, flat out admits that he just didn’t campaign for “traditional marriages”. He campaigned for the “criminalization of homosexual acts” and distributed fliers “packed with incendiary language about gays”. These are quote straight from the website, who are siding with him.

He’d not a house wife posting on facebook, politely, that she while she believes what people do in their own bedroom is between them and whatever God, marriage should be a religious institution, not a state one, and between a man and a woman. He’s a provocateur. And governments don’t like provocateurs. (See, recent laws in Spain that allow the government to fine up to 600,00 euros to people protesting outside government installations if they are seen as “disrupting the peace”.)

The man in Sweden, in the second link, said again, drawing directly from the quote the own website says that homosexuality is “abnormal, a horrible cancerous tumor in the body of society”.

This isn’t saying that you believe its a sin, its dehumanizing an entire group of people. And while I’m against hate speech laws in the first place… His language is deliberately aggressive.

Don’t get me wrong, I think its absolutely awful that governments do this sort of thing. What I don’t think is fitting, is the victim complex that some Christians get for it. Standing up for what you believe, when the state doesn’t approve of it, usually means you’re going to face state oppression.

Yet would you feel bad about the person who got arrested or fined for burning their national flag, in perceived injustices done at their hands of their government?
(In Spain, you can get up to a 300,000 euro fine for that; with the current exchange that $333,000)

Then you should victimize/feel bad for Christians that do the same thing. I am not saying bad things don’t happen. What I am saying is that playing the “poor Christian victim” card does’t help your cause or the larger picture.

 

[Midwest88]

Don’t get me wrong, I think its absolutely awful that governments do this sort of thing. What I don’t think is fitting, is the victim complex that some Christians get for it. Standing up for what you believe, when the state doesn’t approve of it, usually means you’re going to face state oppression.

Yet would you feel bad about the person who got arrested or fined for burning their national flag, in perceived injustices done at their hands of their government?
(In Spain, you can get up to a 300,000 euro fine for that; with the current exchange that $333,000)

Then you should victimize/feel bad for Christians that do the same thing. I am not saying bad things don’t happen. What I am saying is that playing the “poor Christian victim” card does’t help your cause or the larger picture.

(1) That’s a horrible analogy. Please try again.
(2) The Christian victimhood complex is overblown. That’s you just being irritated that a handful of people are commentating on perceived injustices on this tiny part of the internet.

 

[Kay_Cee]

Concerning the first link…

Outside of being an obviously agenda driven news website, the article, flat out admits that he just didn’t campaign for “traditional marriages”. He campaigned for the “criminalization of homosexual acts” and distributed fliers “packed with incendiary language about gays”. These are quote straight from the website, who are siding with him.

He’d not a house wife posting on facebook, politely, that she while she believes what people do in their own bedroom is between them and whatever God, marriage should be a religious institution, not a state one, and between a man and a woman. He’s a provocateur. And governments don’t like provocateurs. (See, recent laws in Spain that allow the government to fine up to 600,00 euros to people protesting outside government installations if they are seen as “disrupting the peace”.)

The man in Sweden, in the second link, said again, drawing directly from the quote the own website says that homosexuality is “abnormal, a horrible cancerous tumor in the body of society”.

This isn’t saying that you believe its a sin, its dehumanizing an entire group of people. And while I’m against hate speech laws in the first place… His language is deliberately aggressive.

Don’t get me wrong, I think its absolutely awful that governments do this sort of thing. What I don’t think is fitting, is the victim complex that some Christians get for it. Standing up for what you believe, when the state doesn’t approve of it, usually means you’re going to face state oppression.

Yet would you feel bad about the person who got arrested or fined for burning their national flag, in perceived injustices done at their hands of their government?
(In Spain, you can get up to a 300,000 euro fine for that; with the current exchange that $333,000)

Then you should victimize/feel bad for Christians that do the same thing. I am not saying bad things don’t happen. What I am saying is that playing the “poor Christian victim” card does’t help your cause or the larger picture.

Are you telling me the free expression of opinion ends at the point you consider rudeness?

 

[JimG]

I read about a dozen 1 star reviews, all of them said basically “same old same old.” Some did not say it with the greatest finesse none-the-less the message was the “same old same old.”

I brought up your link for your idea of a “balanced review” The title “Compelling New Book Shreds SCOTUS Marriage Decision” pretty much tells us the bias of the author. I stopped reading when I got to “Kennedy’s reflections read like psycho-babble that might have come from a college freshmen under the influence” Same old same old, so much for a “balanced review.”

Do not assume I am left or right.The only difference between the them are their respective undisciplined biases.

But, like much of what passes for intellectual endeavor now, Kennedy’s reflections do read like psychobabble rather than constitutional law, something which was pointed out by Justice Scalia.