Trying to find truth

[ialsop]

Hey all.

Can some of you pray that the Holy Spirit guide me to finding the truth about the death penalty, over which I have been struggling? Thanks!

 

[tawny]

Praying to the Holy Spirit to give you guidance, direction, strength, fortitude & wisdom in your time of need.

 

[petra22]

Praying for you…

Our Father
Hail Mary
Glory be to the Father

Do you want to talk about it???

 

[MaryT777]

Praying for your intentions. I, too, have struggled with death penalty issues.

Mary.

 

[SnoopSword]

Praying for your intentions. I, too, have struggled with death penalty issues.

Mary.

Death penalty is murder and is only done to lessen the cost of an inmate which ends up costing more if i remember.

It also prevents that person extra time for being saved. They really do grow old and calm in prison. Many of their souls could be saved, and this is the most important thing that God loves most.

 

[lax16]

Praying…

 

[244Rocket]

Praying.

 

[Trishie]

The death penalty was abolished in my country in the 1950s, so we’re blessed not to have the dilemmas involved, however there are horrific crimes in the world that must cause personal conflicts and dilemma in any part of the west where the death penalty still exists.
May God’s will prevail regarding this difficult issue,
and may God bless and guide you in dealing with this troubling dilemma.

 

[tbcrawford]

The death penalty was abolished in my country in the 1950s, so we’re blessed not to have the dilemmas involved, however there are horrific crimes in the world that must cause personal conflicts and dilemma in any part of the west where the death penalty still exists.
May God’s will prevail regarding this difficult issue,
and may God bless and guide you in dealing with this troubling dilemma.

Amen

Eternal God , in whom mercy is endless,
and the treasury of compassion inexhastible ,
look kindly upon us and increase Your mercy in us ,
that in difficult moments we might not despair
nor become despondent , but with great confidence ,
submit ourselves to Your Holy Will ,
which is love and mercy itself . Amen

Memorare (Prayer to Our Lady)
Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, implored your help, or sought your intercession, was left unaided.
Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto you, O Virgin of virgins, my Mother. To you do I come, before you I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in your mercy, hear and answer me. Amen

 

[ialsop]

Praying for you…

Our Father
Hail Mary
Glory be to the Father

Do you want to talk about it???

Sure! I dunno if I should start another thread?

Oh and by the wat THANK YOU ALL for the prayers! Appreciate it

My thoughts started with abortion…should the BIG LEVEL directors of abortion be hung like the Nazis(who killed FAR LESS people) were at Nuremberg?

Investigating more, most people HERE say no, never. My local pro life director said no, only if we cannot properly protect society from them otherwise(which we can in modern prisons probably).
But researching on my own I found a lot of stuff like this…
The secular power can, without mortal sin, exercise judgment of blood, provided that it punishes with justice, not out of hatred, with prudence, not precipitation -Pope Innocent III

Even when there is question of the execution of a condemned man, the State does not dispose of the individual’s right to life. In this case it is reserved to the public power to deprive the condemned person of the enjoyment of life in expiation of his crime when, by his crime, he has already dispossessed himself of his right to life. -Pius XIII

“reparation for evil and scandal, compensation for injury, and satisfaction for insult are conditions for forgiveness.” -John Paul II

And, accordingly, they who have wagedwarinobedienceto the divine command, or in conformity with Hislaws, have represented in theirpersonsthe publicjusticeor the wisdom of government, and in this capacity haveput to deathwickedmen; suchpersonshave by no means violated the*commandment,You shall notkill.” (City of God, Bk I, 21) -St. Augustine

“Far from being guilty of breaking this commandment [Thou shall not kill], such an execution of justice is precisely an act of obedience to it. For the purpose of the law is to protect and foster human life. This purpose is fulfilled when the legitimate authority of the State is exercised by taking the guilty lives of those who have taken innocent lives.” -Catechism of Trent

OF COURSE, a lot of those ancient and medieval sources, I would venture to assume, lived in a time where there were not proper modern prisons to hold these people. So I think my pro life director’s answer stands…

The Church has never said the death penalty is intrinsically evil, they said that it is evil to kill a criminal when not necessary for the safety of society, that is my current understanding. Correct me if I am wrong. Cheers