TV: Saving Grace

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Well, I attempted to watch the first episode but couldn’t with young children in the house. Episode 2 really pointed out to me why it’s been given the rating TV-MA before I changed the channel…but I couldn’t help wondering if the sex is a tool to draw in the non-religious population…
 
You really should check out that interview if you want to laugh.
 
I don’t know whether to hide my head under my pillow :o or laugh until my sides hurt…😃
 
Ha, I liked when the interviewer said, “True, true, true.” Also, at the end you can tell that she says “NBC” instead of “ABC” and people in the background gasp and laugh.
 
I watched the show. I had been anticipating it’s premier for about a month. I am very sorry to see such a knee-jerk reaction after only one episode aired.

I think the charge of “mocking God” is ridiculous. While the accusations of obsenity and profanity are correct, I did not consider them a mockery. The show is supposed to portray a woman who is a great sinner and it makes no bones about it’s position on her behavior. And I actually loved the “tobacco spitting” angel. His appearance to Grace and what he tells her is completely orthodox. She is chastised for her sexual immorality, her foul mouth, her unwillingness to accept God’s help. The angel tells her she is bound for hell and so are many others. I expected the first show would be filled with profane images and language because they were trying to portray sin. I hoped that would end after she had her “conversion”. Sadly, it appears her conversion is going to be more complicated (as it is for most of us) and ongoing which implies there will be continued wrestling with sin. I suspect there will still be some level of profanity and obscenity.

Unfortunately, or fortunately (depending on how you look at it), she is a lapsed Catholic and her brother is a priest. We find out in the first episode that she was molested as a child by a priest. Her brother is a foul mouthed clergyman who, while delivering a fairly orthodox speech about her immorality, does so with profane words. I think the show could be edifying IF it pulls itself out of the “sewer” and focuses on the conversion.

I will continue to watch this show and pray that it turns into a worthwhile depiction of a sinner struggling to find God. If it does not, and shows signs of being yet another anti-Catholic, anti-religion piece of trash, I will join the others in contacting sponsors.
I totally agree with you on this point. I did not see mocking God or our Church.

What I saw was a (probably) realistic view of a fallen Catholic who is an alcohol abuser, who’s lost faith has turned her into a cold hard hearted individual with nothing going for her other than whatever is in front of her.

She swears, she sins, it is what she is to her core. This is supposed to be a redemption story, and her journey from sinner. When I read about Saul converting to Paul I see a similar, albeit much more sanitized, version of a similar sinner being redeemed.

This is a gritty sinner who is in the trenches of society and who is now struggling to find her faith again. She has been through living hell, via child molestation when she was young, and she turned her heart against faith. The real question to me is how will future episodes treat her faith formation? And what messages will Hollywood present about faith in God and Jesus as the series progresses.

I strongly suggest that we keep an eye on this show. It could actually be very good for our faith. But to blast the show because it shows a sinner sinning on her journey to redemption seems to me to be unrealistic. I understand that this show may not appeal to many people. I understand that this show is too mature, too violent, too gritty. But what do you think people live like if they have lost their faith, if they are alcoholics, and if they are the products of molestation and abuse? I’d suggest most of us will never know, but I’d also suggest that many of them lead pretty unseemly lives . . . and that is what is projected on this show.

Personally I don’t know if I “like” this show yet. I’ve seen both episodes. I think it has huge potential to bring people to our Catholic faith, or at least help them understand our faith. It also could just be another Hollywood portrayal gone wrong. Earl the Angel does not seem to be overly Catholic in his influence, in fact he seems to be Christian neutral in what he says. But there is a Catholic character who is strong in faith, and is the best friend of Grace. Further Grace has a brother who is a Catholic priest who, while also very gritty and base, could provide a good message if his character can get beyond the gutter influences we have seen so far.

Time will tell. But I think we need to have an open mind. I don’t think we all need to watch it. But we do need to watch what it says about our Church in the messages it presents.
 
I don’t ever reject a book or movie because it shows sinful acts. Look at Graham Greene’s book The Power and the Glory. The unnamed priest in that book is an alcoholic and a fornicator, but at the end of it, he willingly accepts martyrdom for the love of God.

The movie **Boogie Nights **is about the porn industry and there never was a more depressing film. It shows (not hard core) but it doesn’t glamorize the sex industry at all and in the end, all you want to do is pray for the poor souls who are caught up in it.

As for this series, as many of the posters have said - time will tell about it. Since I don’t watch TV, I can’t say more.
 
Time will tell. But I think we need to have an open mind. I don’t think we all need to watch it. But we do need to watch what it says about our Church in the messages it presents.
I agree. As a self appointed “watch dog” of the media, I feel duty bound to keep an eye on this show. However, after the 2nd episode, I do fear that the “God” angle may be nothing more than a “hook” to bring a certain audience to the show while completely ignoring what they expect or hope to see. Rather than just dish out trash and obscenity with no redeeming “value”, the creators of the show may have stumbled onto a clever way to make soft porn palatable to those who would normally never watch such a show.

I don’t think the show is “mature” at all. I actually think it’s pretty cliche. I pretty much rolled my eyes through the entire first episode because they managed to pack every trite misconceieved notion about Catholics into 60 minutes. Child molestation, freaky priest who sort of seems “religious” but is really a regular guy with a filthy mouth, tobacco spitting angel with the characteristics of a dopey human, fallen-away Catholic woman who refuses to be opressed by religion and gleefully engages in all forms of debauchery. There is nothing new or mature or novel about this. In fact, it’s been done to death and is rather boring. How cutting edge would it be to actually portray a Catholic joyfully living her faith? Now that would be something different!

I’ll watch it again but I must admit I was annoyed by the comment “Earl” made regarding the irrelevence of how one worships. A mosque? If they wanted to be PC and inclusive, why did they make the main character Catholic? Why not just some ambiguous Christian denomination?
 
The show is original in ways that are very unpredictable and very unexpected for me, just in terms of each story that we get to be part of every week.
She may think the show is original but all I see is cliche after cliche. Ever since Sipowicz showed his butt on network TV, it’s been pretty much “old hat” to see such gratuitous partial nudity in these shows which purport to be “cutting edge”. It makes me think of a bunch of adolescents, sitting around a board room, tittering and giggling about getting away with something naughty. It’s pretty ridiculous.
She’s a bit of an anti-heroine. She’s very, very at home with chaos and she creates some chaos for herself and she resolves chaos.
I’ve noticed that the recent spate of TV programs that feature female main characters seem to be driving this concept of “viscious” women. The new show with Glen Close on the same network, all the horrible reality shows, the disgusting Oxygen network all seem to be advancing this depiction of unlikeable women. I find it deeply disturbing. Grace is completely unlikeable. Don’t you want to endear your audience to your main character?
Grace’s look is very distinctive. How’d you come up with her look and hairstyle?
It really started out with a braid. There was a scene in a bathroom in the pilot, and I wanted to be doing something that was utterly female.
What a shallow understanding of feminity. Is this the same scene where Grace flashes her geriatric next door neighbor? Very feminine.:rolleyes:
 
Has anybody seen this new show on TNT? I find the show interesting, although Grace the character is a little too crass for my taste. I’m glad to see some shows that are actually promoting God instead of tearing him down. This is my take.

Comments?
 
Didn’t see the show, so I can’t defend it, but I will add this:

Wasn’t mocking God and attacking Chritianity one of Saint Paul’s skills before conversion?

And wasn’t wanton sex and alcohol abuse Saint Augustine’s purpose for life before conversion?

And didn’t Christ say he came for the sinners?

Seems to me the entire plot of this series to tell a conversion story. You’ve got to see the bad before the conversion to the good, right?
Jesus was severely criticized for hanging out in pubs.
 
I’ve watched most of the shows now. I did miss the first one, but I have my recorder set for when they repeat it.]

Wonder … are the producers being cynical or are they “searchers”?

Cynical: bring in an angel … always super for ratings. Bring in a dysfunctional detective like “Adrian Monk” or that autistic detective on “Law & Order - Criminal Intent” … they take a different perspective and ALWAYS pick up on clues that all of the other police just happen to miss. It almost seems like a formula for success. There was a movie “Sister Act”] that cynical actors thought was a hoot, with Whoopie Goldberg as a woman hiding in a convent who led the choir … and the audiences loved it. So they made a follow-up movie.

Searching?: Kind of like an Anne Rice conversion story???

Holly Hunter has had a very strange past … tons of awards but a “messy” personal life. She is supposedly the producer … does that mean she owns the program?

Is Holly Hunter searching or cynical?
 
Didn’t see the show, so I can’t defend it, but I will add this:

Wasn’t mocking God and attacking Chritianity one of Saint Paul’s skills before conversion?

And wasn’t wanton sex and alcohol abuse Saint Augustine’s purpose for life before conversion?

And didn’t Christ say he came for the sinners?

Seems to me the entire plot of this series to tell a conversion story. You’ve got to see the bad before the conversion to the good, right?
Thats just an excuse so people can do what they want.

Never heard of the show, but if it shows God in a bad way at all it can’t be good.
 
I am skeptical that thse two people are priests. A person doesn’t walk into a confessional and present a video of their sins to the priest. You walk in with the intent of turning away from your sins.

Holy Hunter is just playing a ‘dysfunctional’. The standard character template on TV, with cussing and swearing and drinking out of a funnel… ad nauseum.

This is not entertainment, this is Sin on Display or Sin Voyeurism. Not healthy for the Catholic mind and spirit.

God bless,
Ed
 
I can’t say I have seen Saving Grace but it seems to fit the mold of a long line of Tv shows following the current trend of shallow humor as a source of entertainment. I personally watch limited amounts of television that involves discover/history channel or a news network and maybe PBS. I like watching Documentaries. I mean honestly, do we really need explicit sex and nude scenes and lots of foul language to prove points about the Character. Back in the day, taking off an article of clothing and closing the bedroom door symbolized sex. You didnt need to show people simulating the act But none of this stuff is new, look at Nip/tuck. It is basically peddling softcore porn and portrays the lowest in humanity.
 
Grace is a spiritual “train wreck”. And we are watching it happen in slow motion. And we are in a dissociated witness state, hoping that somehow the Angel Earl is able to get through to her.

Grace is a police detective … and an excellent one. She works so hard and so well … but she is really messed up.

When she came out of a semi-coma [she had been shot in the chest and the impact of the bullet on her bullet-proof vest caused her heart to stop], she was annoyed when she rubbed her forehead and realized her brother, a Catholic priest, had anointed her with the holy oil of Extreme Unction.

During one episode, one peripheral character was “clearly” not going to “make it”. And Earl was there, sitting and talking kindly, but shaking his head so sadly.

About half of the primary characters know about Earl and believe that Grace is actually conversing with him. And they are stunned that even with Earl working as hard as he can, Grace STILL is coming off the rails.

There is no humor. Nothing even close to funny.

“Saving Grace” is a tragedy.
I can’t say I have seen Saving Grace but it seems to fit the mold of a long line of Tv shows following the current trend of shallow humor as a source of entertainment. I personally watch limited amounts of television that involves discover/history channel or a news network and maybe PBS. I like watching Documentaries. I mean honestly, do we really need explicit sex and nude scenes and lots of foul language to prove points about the Character. Back in the day, taking off an article of clothing and closing the bedroom door symbolized sex. You didnt need to show people simulating the act But none of this stuff is new, look at Nip/tuck. It is basically peddling softcore porn and portrays the lowest in humanity.
 
Anyone know when this is coming back?
I hope it did not get canceled. I really like the show. I don’t think I have ever seen a show on tv that was primarily catholic. It is dark and gritty, but this makes it real. I think it shows god love and grace for his children and that no one is ever a lost cause. Thoughts? Opinions?
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