TV: The Unit

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Hi Cat,
Found your message and it caught my eye.
Yes the show has been picked up for the fall. The Guy are in Iraq for a whole week.
If you would like to see more picture of the guy and My FAV. too (Robert Patrick) please stop by my website.

robertpatrick-johndogget.spaces.live.com/

My email is on the website. Feel free to email me anytime. I also run 2 RP groups on Yahoo.
I also got Nikki Fink to doa write up on the guys on her site.

deadlinehollywooddaily.com/primetime-pilot-panic-the-unit-on-cbs-reaper-on-cw-both-renewed/

Look forward to hearing form you,
God Bless
Robin

PS:

Do I know you from the different RP and Unit forums?
You sure do! Jonafan (Sharon) on RP Group and microbiologist on Unit forum!

I’m glad you’re on this Forum now! Hey everyone, say hi to Robin!
 
Cat,

For whatever it’s worth, your praise for this show influenced me to add it to my Blockbuster list to see what the deal about it was.

Gotta say I love Haysbert (‘my’ President from 24) in this role and he’s my main draw. Next would be your beloved Patrick, but I don’t like his character’s weakness. Still, RP plays the tension very well and does his character justice. I’m only on the third disc of season1.

What I don’t like about the show is the same complaint I have about 24 (and I love that one even in its not-so-good season), and that is, the ‘Unit’ and ‘CTU’ are written at the expense of ‘real heroes’, in my opinion. They are written as the only people in the United States capable of doing their jobs, with the rest of the military units/pentagon/administration/police/fire/rescue portrayed as bungling incompetents. Rather than lift me up with hope and confidence it scares me because I do believe the enemy is as cruel, deceptive, and heinous as depicted and it makes me realize that our troops are lacking much in what they need to fight the real battle.

I do enjoy both shows for entertainment value, and find I like watching the DVDs back to back (especially with commentary) better than during the season with commercials.

As for the wives in the show, yikes! I can’t relate to any of them so far, even Haysberts. Bible talk or not, the whole concept that they ended up enlisted when their husbands did and that their discretion is critical to the survival of their men so their every word and deed is controlled/monitored is harsh. I imagine real wives are under such pressure as the rationale makes perfect sense, but geez, who’d want to marry into such a situation?
 
Cat,

For whatever it’s worth, your praise for this show influenced me to add it to my Blockbuster list to see what the deal about it was.

Gotta say I love Haysbert (‘my’ President from 24) in this role and he’s my main draw. Next would be your beloved Patrick, but I don’t like his character’s weakness. Still, RP plays the tension very well and does his character justice. I’m only on the third disc of season1.

What I don’t like about the show is the same complaint I have about 24 (and I love that one even in its not-so-good season), and that is, the ‘Unit’ and ‘CTU’ are written at the expense of ‘real heroes’, in my opinion. They are written as the only people in the United States capable of doing their jobs, with the rest of the military units/pentagon/administration/police/fire/rescue portrayed as bungling incompetents. Rather than lift me up with hope and confidence it scares me because I do believe the enemy is as cruel, deceptive, and heinous as depicted and it makes me realize that our troops are lacking much in what they need to fight the real battle.

I do enjoy both shows for entertainment value, and find I like watching the DVDs back to back (especially with commentary) better than during the season with commercials.

As for the wives in the show, yikes! I can’t relate to any of them so far, even Haysberts. Bible talk or not, the whole concept that they ended up enlisted when their husbands did and that their discretion is critical to the survival of their men so their every word and deed is controlled/monitored is harsh. I imagine real wives are under such pressure as the rationale makes perfect sense, but geez, who’d want to marry into such a situation?
I agree with you about the “authority conspiracy” thing that so many shows seem to slide into. The X Files was the classic–according to Mulder, EVERYONE higher up than him was trying to suppress the truth about everything. Yuck.

And I think that House does this–House is always bucking authority and refusing to toe the line.

I hate this. I like to think that those in charge are, for the most part, wiser than all the rest of us.

I think that these silly conspiracy theories get into culture and influence even Catholics to believe that their Church leadership is less than stellar. This kind of thing erodes trust and makes us all very cynical about authority.

One thing that I have tried to do in my novels is make the “in charge” people as cool as the regular people!
 
I think that these silly conspiracy theories get into culture and influence even Catholics to believe that their Church leadership is less than stellar. This kind of thing erodes trust and makes us all very cynical about authority.
I couldn’t quite put my finger on it, but that’s what is unsettling. House, 24, The Unit, and others like it, if that’s all I’m watching during the week, will get under one’s skin in that subtle way. I hadn’t tied it to not trusting the church before, but I could see how that could happen. Of course, for me, I walked away thankful that the church is the ONLY institution one can trust completely, but I knot most Catholics would not get that message out of watching shows which represent authority as incompetent.

I am going to continue watching The Unit on DVD though. I like the characters so far and I’m hoping I’ll eventually accept the women.
 
JMO, but I think it would help if Shawn Ryan and David Mamet, along with Eric Haney (the writer of Delta Force, the book that The Unit is based on), would recruit a WOMAN writer.

I think that men have a hard time writing realistically about women. They think they’re getting it right, but they tend to just miss it.

I think that David Mamet’s wife, Rebecca Pidgeon (plays Charlotte Ryan on The Unit) is somewhat involved in the scripting, but I’m not sure about that.

I just think the scripts need “the woman writer’s touch” to ring a little more realistic.

One think I would like to see is more realistic activities from the women at home. In real life, women don’t invest money in real estate schemes–they pay their bills and that’s the end of the money. I’m sorry if I’m generalizing, but I honestly think that a lot of the activities that the women get involved in are kind of pushing it. I would rather see them doing their regular jobs and homemaking, just like all the rest of us. I think that with good writing, these everyday activities could become glorified. In the play Our Town, most of the characters do everyday “life” throughout the play, and it is so aching beautiful.

If you read some of the commentary from Robert Patrick and the actors about this show, you will see that it is such a far cry above so many other Hollywood shows when it comes to morals and message. These actors have found a haven in Hollywood.
 
Update for Cat,
Hubby got sucked into the characters too. This, people, is a big deal. We are, as most people on this board would classify us, bleeding liberals when it comes to war. We certainly appreciate those who fought for our country. Our fathers and uncles fought in the war, my husband’s friends were survived vietnam, but we can’t get past how they were manipulated by politicians to do their dirty work. That’s putting it in a nutshell, of course there’s much more to it.

I state it however, because it’s one of the reasons we didn’t even consider The Unit when it first came out even though it had ‘our president’ Dennis Haysbert in the leading role (loved him in 24!). And we like Robert Patrick from Terminator and X-files days as well. We dismissed it as another show glamorizing the military whose purpose was to increase recruitment numbers for this war in Iraq.

My husband was puzzled when I put the DVD in to watch the first season, and sure enough he started to scoff at the first 10 minutes or so. I explained I was giving it a shot because it was praised highly on the boards. I watched the episodes all the way through. Hubby caught parts as he came through the living room to get to the kitchen and back to his office. By the third episode, however, he was sitting next to me.

We’re now on season two discs 5,6,7, and we’re both appreciating the writing. The show entered our territory and presented the case for both sides quite well with the protest story. And the one about the hostage exchange was very good. We even think they way they’re addressing subcontracting the war effort is pretty gutsy.

All in all, it’s the characters we are following. They are each written and acted out so well. Hard pressed to select a favorite. The women still kind of annoy me, but it’s getting better. I don’t fault the actresses but the writers. Then again, I’ve never been a military wife or lived on a base so I don’t know how far from the mark their characters are.

Anyway, thanks for the recommendation. We are enjoying it for what it is and do appreciate the effort of the entire cast and crew.
 
The season premiere is this Sunday, and the total lack of publicity ought to tell Christian people that the media moguls don’t really want anyone to watch this show. It’s not at all “Hollywood-friendly.” And it makes certain political candidates look pretty bad.

I think the sole reasons why the show is still on the air are that 1) the extremely respected Shawn Ryan and David Mamet are the writers and 2) Dennis Haysbert and Regina Taylor are the first African American leads in a drama series in more than 40 years (how embarrassing for Hollywood!).

I frankly wonder how the actors are able to show their faces at Hollywood parties without getting razzed and accused of being “traitors” and “conservatives” and “McCain lovers” and “warmongers.” I respect them for sticking with this show instead of jumping ship and heading for the liberal “safe” shows.

Good thing Robert Patrick did those two teenaged slasher flicks this summer!–no one can accuse him of being too conservative! (Even though in interviews, he cries when he talks about his grandfather, a career Army Lt. Colonel, and even though he personally arranged for the Unit actors to visit the troops in Iraq and Afganistan!).
 
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Well, I think my guy (Col. Ryan) is doomed. Sigh. :crying:

I have a vivid imagination, but even I can’t imagine how he will get out of this one. I guess that’s what you get for having an adulterous affair in the military, right?

As Sen. McCain said in the debates, “We could see the train wreck coming.”

Sigh. 😦 :bigyikes: :signofcross: :nope:

The only hope is that since Max abused his wife, maybe that will cancel out Ryan’s execution? But I don’t think so. I think Ryan’s a goner. Rats.
 
Oh my goodness, Cat! I just finished the second season and had to buy the iTunes downloads of episodes 1-4 of season 3 because I can’t wait for the DVDs to be released to find out what happens next!!! :eek:

I’ve got to play catch-up mighty fast so I can jump in to this season. Your spoiler has me so curious!

Anyway, thanks for the recommendation. It really has been a great series and I agree with you about the lack of promotion for season 4. It does seem to have taken a turn in the storyboards from that first season which paints a darker picture. Guess that’s why I like it, I think it does show the right perspective - the Rangers’ - in this larger game when all they live for is to serve their country with honor.
 
I’m caught up and very anxious about tonight’s episode.
I’m surprised you haven’t posted, Cat, since your Patrick faces some serious consequences tonight. 😉

I can’t imagine the show without Colonel Ryan, but then I’m still having a hard time with the opening song and that shot of the guys walking toward the screen without Williams. 😦
 
I’m caught up and very anxious about tonight’s episode.
I’m surprised you haven’t posted, Cat, since your Patrick faces some serious consequences tonight. 😉

I can’t imagine the show without Colonel Ryan, but then I’m still having a hard time with the opening song and that shot of the guys walking toward the screen without Williams. 😦
I thought last night’s episode was incredible. I’m really looking forward to next week.

Robert Patrick has posted a couple of interviews, but he isn’t saying whether he’s on or off the show. Considering how much he loves the show, I think they’ll keep him. But I think he’ll be MIA or POW for the rest of the season.

BTW, Robert Patrick shines in roles where he is protecting someone weaker. He did a great episode of Outer Limits where he and a girl were captured by aliens, and he spent the time trying to escape while also trying to comfort and reassure the girl–very touching stuff. Another example is his role in Bridge to Terabithia– when Jesse’s friend died, his father (Robert Patrick) brought everyone in the theater to tears (including my husband!) as he held the boy and comforted him. He’s really good at “tough and tender.”

So I look forward to some good scenes between Col. Ryan and Betsy.
 
Well?

Did everyone like the resolution to the affair plot, or was justice robbed?

I personally loved it. I was in tears for poor Col. Ryan. We’ve all sinned and suffered guilt and torment for it, and it seems to me that he went through his purgatory for that sin here on this earth.

And I loved having the little para-psychologist back! She’s awesome, and I loved the plot with mother/daughter connections. Great way to work in the idea that BOTH parents rescue their kids.
 
Once again, The Unit has demonstrated a “mission” to bring religion back to TV.

This week (season premiere), one of the characters was reading the Holy Bible, looking for a name for her son.

This isn’t the first time that religion has been included in this show.

It’s never a big deal (except for one episode that featured religion as the side plot), but it’s there. A mention of God, a mention of church or prayer, a use of a “Christian” word (like adultery instead of “fooling around”).

That’s a great improvement over the shows that have expunged all mention of God and Church other than as swear words.

The show is also blatently pro-U.S.A. During the season premiere, one of the characters made a comment that made me gasp. I was waiting for the show to be suddenly zapped off the air and replaced with Will and Grace or some other PC show! Glory be, the show stayed on!

It’s a war show, so it’s not for everyone. But I recommend that you try it and if you like it, give it some support. If only all shows on network were like The Unit!
I used to watch that show and really liked it but now i dont even know when it is on!
 
Well?

Did everyone like the resolution to the affair plot, or was justice robbed?

I personally loved it. I was in tears for poor Col. Ryan. We’ve all sinned and suffered guilt and torment for it, and it seems to me that he went through his purgatory for that sin here on this earth.

And I loved having the little para-psychologist back! She’s awesome, and I loved the plot with mother/daughter connections. Great way to work in the idea that BOTH parents rescue their kids.
I’m glad your guy gets to stay on a while longer. This whole new dynamic should be rather interesting to follow.

I’m most happy for Mac because he gets the girl and that family has a chance to heal.

I have to admit, however, that the entire episode was implausible based on the basic premise that a distracted soldier can doom a mission. There is no way that ranger unit would have been used for the rescue because they are all way too close to the daughter. The show would have been just as intriguing to watch had we had to see both her parents grounded from the mission, but this made for a better way to do the whole execute Colonel Ryan thing.
 
I’m glad your guy gets to stay on a while longer. This whole new dynamic should be rather interesting to follow.

I’m most happy for Mac because he gets the girl and that family has a chance to heal.

I have to admit, however, that the entire episode was implausible based on the basic premise that a distracted soldier can doom a mission. There is no way that ranger unit would have been used for the rescue because they are all way too close to the daughter. The show would have been just as intriguing to watch had we had to see both her parents grounded from the mission, but this made for a better way to do the whole execute Colonel Ryan thing.
There were a lot of unrealistic things about that episode. Did you know that Eric Haney is no longer working with the show? He was the real-life Delta Force member, and I think he prided himself on realism. Now that he’s gone, I think the writers are taking some creative liberties with realism to attract more viewers. It works on medical shows, which are totally ridiculous in their lack of realism. I’m not sure it will fly on The Unit, though.

I personally think the show is doomed after this season. One of the main reasons people elected Barack Obama is that they think he’ll stop the war and bring the troops home and mind our own business in the future unless we are personally attacked in this country. I don’t think people want to see stories about war and the military that make it look “necessary.” They most certainly do not want to see stories about war in which African Americans are officers and are proud to be in the Army.

Now if Betsy protests going back to her unit, and decides to go AWOL and live with another woman in a lesbian relationship and do YouTube denouncements of the Army and the war against terrorism ("it’s all the fault of the United States!), and Col. Ryan is discovered with child porn, and Mack rapes several new female recruits who bring charges against him, and Jonas files a lawsuit against the Army for race discrimination, and Carlito supplies the Latin Kings with weapons, and Bob and Kim go through a vicious divorce and fight over the children and she gets pregnant by another lover and has an abortion–now THAT would attract an audience! Sad, isn’t it?
 
Once again, The Unit has demonstrated a “mission” to bring religion back to TV.

This week (season premiere), one of the characters was reading the Holy Bible, looking for a name for her son.

This isn’t the first time that religion has been included in this show.

It’s never a big deal (except for one episode that featured religion as the side plot), but it’s there. A mention of God, a mention of church or prayer, a use of a “Christian” word (like adultery instead of “fooling around”).

That’s a great improvement over the shows that have expunged all mention of God and Church other than as swear words.

The show is also blatently pro-U.S.A. During the season premiere, one of the characters made a comment that made me gasp. I was waiting for the show to be suddenly zapped off the air and replaced with Will and Grace or some other PC show! Glory be, the show stayed on!

It’s a war show, so it’s not for everyone. But I recommend that you try it and if you like it, give it some support. If only all shows on network were like The Unit!
One of the characters had an affair and three of the men in the unit were ready to execute him for it - it didn’t happen in the end but apparently it was an agreed upon “code”.
 
Well, Cat, was tonight the season ending or is there one more episode???

What a season! Doesn’t look good for Colonel Ryan yet again. He took the general stars so does that mean we won’t seem him next time around?

Care to share your thoughts on this season’s arching storyline?
I was torn on several plots. I really didn’t like the way the brought the women into the action at all. Just seems to go against everything the unit stood for, it seemed to me. Didn’t really care for Betsy going into the army and the way that all went down, including Snakedoc rescuing her. Middle stories almost lost me, but the final arc brought me back in.

Any news for a season 5?
 
Here is a link to an article from LA about the “bubble shows,” including The Unit. (Hope the link works–sometimes these newspaper links demand personal info.)

latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-et-bubble10-2009may10,0,7619554.story

I never liked the “conspiracy theory” plot of this season, and I hated the move of the women from Fort Griffith to some other place, and their involvement, like Charlie’s Angels, in the various mystery plots. So unrealistic.

I did NOT like the inclusion of Brigette in the Unit! I thought that was a PC move, but according to various military people who watch the show, it doesn’t happen in real life.

I loved the episode in the church a few weeks back, with Mack and Tiffy. I’m SOOOO glad that the marriage was restored.

My favorite episodes this season were the two episodes where Betsy Blane was rescued from the prison camp in Syria. Those were fantastic pieces.

I don’t think it looks good for the future of the show. In various interviews, Robert Patrick seems optimistic, but that’s the way he seems to be about everything–eternally cheerful. His interviews have been filled with more and more “religious code words”, BTW. In the last interview, he talked several times about being “blessed,” and also mentioned his “God-given talent” and how grateful he is to be able to earn a living with acting. Hollywood people don’t talk that way.

He has switched agencies, BTW, but kept the same agent. And he has an upcoming role in a George Clooney movie called Men Who Stare At Goats. This sounds good, and apparently Mr. Clooney has been talking to him about directing.

SO it sounds like my favorite guy is continuing to find scripts and work.

Here’s a cut-and-paste of my opinion about The Unit from the Robert Patrick forum–

I’m grateful that the writers tied up ends. I’m sorry about some of those ends, mainly the ending of the Jonas and Molly marriage, and Tom Ryan taking the general’s star. (I still don’t understand how he could think he was incapable of leading the Unit anymore.) I’m afraid that this might end Tom Ryan’s association with The Unit, although I supposed he could always have a role like that other general (that hateful one) who shows up a couple a times a season. I’m also not sure of Brigette’s future with the Unit. I never cared for the inclusion of the woman character, but that’s just personal opinion. Sigh.

I just think that the political climate in the U.S. is not hospitable to pro-military shows. Funny, the war is bigger than ever, with more troops than ever, and threatening to expand into Pakistan every day (scary). IMO, the Obama Administration is doing the same thing, only more, than the Bush Administration did. But it’s something that is immensely underplayed by this Administration, who prefers to keep the economy front and center. The U.S. people called Pres. Bush a “yee hah cowboy” and accused him of war crimes and illegal activities and having a conquerer syndrome and demanded his impeachment, but Pres. Obama is hailed as a messiah of peace and diplomacy. He SAID he would end the war and bring our troops home and spend the money on domestic programs. That’s what he PROMISED. I don’t get it–can someone explain this to me?

Anyway, I think this show is like a pig in a china shop. It just doesn’t fit in with the current emphasis on a culture of death in the U.S.–look at all the CSI type shows and murder shows. A few times during my recovery from my surgery, I watched an evening of network TV, but it was horrible! Most of the shows (other than the reality shows like American Idol) were about someone’s grisly death or rape and grisly death. And even the reality shows involve the weekly “elimination” of someone. Why do we want such negative stuff saturating the airwaves? The Unit had a lot of deaths, but there was a lot more life than death on that show. I’m creeped out by our fascination with crimes.
 
Well that’s not a surprise, but sad, nonetheless.
It’s not a bad place to end though, despite Dave’s thoughts. We can choose to write it our own way and I’m inclined to see all tensions resolved in the long run. I worry sometimes that what the writers give us would be a disappointment, though these writers probably would have made me happy.

Anyway, The Unit was the ONLY show I watched on CBS. Now I can go back to ignoring the station all together.
 
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