UK-STD testing in pubs

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What a crock. God did NOT make women constantly fertile - they naturally have quite long periods of infertility each month. Some, like my older sister, go for years (in her case about a decade) being naturally infertile (no ABC of any kind) and then boom, the kids come. More than that, God’s will for all married folk is monogamy. All of which militates against the idea that we’re designed to simply squeeze out maximum kids in minimum time.

But God’s will for the unmarried is total celibacy - which is not only not wrong (Jesus Himself was celibate, as were Mary and Joseph), but is praised by Him (‘those who make themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom’.)

If you know what a eunuch is, eunuchs were incapable of sex (hence their being used in later centuries to guard royal harems). So while abstaining from sex is laudable, Christ nowhere mentions or approves of those who have sex but avoid the children which are the natural result. It’s the abstaining from sex that is praiseworthy!

But there’s much more to it than that.

You really need to learn and understand the critical difference between

a) on the one hand sinfully putting up an ***artificial ***chemical or synthetic barrier (ABC) which interferes with the perfectly normal and healthy God-ordained bodily reproductive process, and interferes with God’s own plans for the human species moreover, and

b) on the other hand a process (NFP) which fully co-operates with and is integrated with both nature and God’s plan. Which amounts to no more than knowing and taking advantage of the natural periods of infertility that God Himself in His wisdom grants us, and which moreover has the healthy sid-effect of requiring a Christlike self-control and self-denial from both husband and wife.

Can’t you see that the first is simply you imposing your will upon your fertility no matter what God thinks or wants for you, while the second is adhering to God’s own designs for the human reproductive cycle in general and your own in particular?
I’m well aware of the realities of the reproductive cycle.
Difference of “taking advantage of the periods of infertility” and “avoiding fertile periods to frustrate Gods plan” is what the poster I spoke about struggled to find the difference between.

I mean, I know that the point of NFP is that you are saying “even though we have sex during an infertile period” we haven’t closed off the possibility that you send us a child…etc. But the point is that there is like max 3 days a month where the average woman might get pregnant. If you avoid those days your chances of getting pregenant are probably *smaller *than if you wore a condom, (if we are to believe the like of James who say that they are completely unrealiable as birth control) and just had sex when you felt like it. So basically you are frustrating God’s plan for life more than those of us who use a rubber… How ironic.
 
I’m well aware of the realities of the reproductive cycle.
Difference of “taking advantage of the periods of infertility” and “avoiding fertile periods to frustrate Gods plan” is what the poster I spoke about struggled to find the difference between.

I mean, I know that the point of NFP is that you are saying “even though we have sex during an infertile period” we haven’t closed off the possibility that you send us a child…etc. But the point is that there is like max 3 days a month where the average woman might get pregnant. If you avoid those days your chances of getting pregenant are probably *smaller *than if you wore a condom, (if we are to believe the like of James who say that they are completely unrealiable as birth control) and just had sex when you felt like it. So basically you are frustrating God’s plan for life more than those of us who use a rubber… How ironic.
Yeah, and if God’s plan and will is for me to suport my children I can probably do that better by dealing drugs than by working at a minimum-wage job. But guess what, means matter to Him as well as ends. 🤷
 
Yeah, and if God’s plan and will is for me to suport my children I can probably do that better by dealing drugs than by working at a minimum-wage job. But guess what, means matter to Him as well as ends. 🤷
What a dissapointing response to a perfectly valid question.
 
What a dissapointing response to a perfectly valid question.
Yes it’s a perfectly valid question, as well as a perfectly valid and correct response. I’m sorry it disappoints you, but ‘because God said so’ IS a good and sufficient answer to any question.
 
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