Understanding What Have Feminists Done to America's Fathers?

[Beaver]

Our culture has reject men for years. How can a women of this culture say they love. You can not say you love me and not love my seed. Contraception says you reject me for if you reject my seed, you reject me and you can reject me and love me. To love me is to love all of me for I love my seed and therefore guard it with my life. But you reject this love therefore you reject me and this you can not call love. This is your quest for power, not love. You can not call this love.

 

[dwc]

You know what? There are a lot of feminists who are great wives and mothers. There is a vocal minority who are filled with rage and appear to hate men in general, but they are the minority and they bug the heck out of me, too. The difference between true feminism and these hate filled women has been discussed many times in these forums. Many faithful Catholic women who are anti-abortion, pro-family, mothers, loving wives and feminists have taken the time to explain our position and defend ourselves time and again.

Personally, I’m pretty tired of these rants. I assume you are referring to the minority of women who have taken over NOW and attempt to speak for all feminists; however, I think anyone who makes a reasonable attempt to be informed should be well aware that there are many other feminists out there for whom these radical women do not speak.

If you’re not speaking about them, then you must be speaking about me. So I ask you, to what do you object? My brain and me using it in addition to using my uterus to procreate? Me working? Do you think working women offer you competition in the workplace you’d rather not have? Women not being home full time and so men actually having to step up to the plate and help with housework and child rearing? Do you realize that having more involved fathers in these areas is a very positive thing for many families? Do you realize that some men (like my husband) don’t mind being more involved with the household and the kids? And if my family is functioning well and happy what business is it of yours how we accomplish that?

 

[Beaver]

dwc:

If you’re not speaking about them, then you must be speaking about me. So I ask you, to what do you object? Your hate of your husband’s seed.

dwc:

My brain and me using it in addition to using my uterus to procreate? No

dwc:

Me working? No

dwc:

Do you think working women offer you competition in the workplace you’d rather not have?
No

dwc:

Women not being home full time and so men actually having to step up to the plate and help with housework and child rearing? No

dwc:

Do you realize that having more involved fathers in these areas is a very positive thing for many families? Yes

dwc:

Do you realize that some men (like my husband) don’t mind being more involved with the household and the kids? Yes

dwc:

And if my family is functioning well and happy what business is it of yours how we accomplish that?

You are a disfunctional family, this cause social problems. Just because you can make through the day does not make you functional. You have rejected your husband and you feel there should be no hard feelings. You think that he is not bitter. That bitterness will go somewhere.

 

[dwc]

It’s very strange how I live with my family every day and yet you insist that you, who has never met us, know that we’re dysfunctional and that my husband is bitter and calamity is in store for us. I’m not going to bother trying to convince you, because I don’t care that much what you think. You seem quite bitter. I’m sorry for whatever has hurt you in your life.

 

[Peter_Wright]

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[OhioBob]

Beaver:

Our culture has reject men for years. How can a women of this culture say they love. You can not say you love me and not love my seed. Contraception says you reject me for if you reject my seed, you reject me and you can reject me and love me. To love me is to love all of me for I love my seed and therefore guard it with my life. But you reject this love therefore you reject me and this you can not call love. This is your quest for power, not love. You can not call this love.

That’s quite a rant, but I’ll bite.

Men have just as much of a role in promoting a contraceptive mentality as women. I know plenty of men who could care less about their “seed”. Their main interest lies elsewhere. If they ever develop a male contraceptive pill, men will be among the ones cheering the loudest.

As men we have done a splendid job of devaluing sex all by ourselves. Blaming it all on “feminists” (whatever they are) is a cop out. We need to take more responsibility, not less.

So man up.

 

[BlestOne]

So Beaver…let me get this right. I was married once and I worked and he didn’t so I am a feminist by your definition. I had 4 children by this man, while I worked and while I paid all the bills and while I paid for him to go to school. I am an evil feminist? I hate men and their seed? I think not. I was doing what I had to do to ensure the survival of my family. Fastforward about 9 years…He has actually been working for 2 years and I am still working too. On his days off he still won’t watch our children, on my days off I have them. Finally one day he walks out the door…takes all the money and leaves the kids. No Child support, no phone calls no visitation with his own flesh and blood. I work because I have to. I have no clue if I would work or stay at home if I had the choice because I have never had the choice. My children have food in their bellies and clothes on their backs because I provided it for them. Yet in this you think I am wrong, that i somehow hate men and their seed? It has been about 8-9 years since he walked out. I stayed at home with them every second I wasn’t working to provide for them. I had no breaks, no dates or vacations away from my children, it was me all the time…yet somehow this is my fault? Surely I am responsible for my part and I accept there is a part of the burden that is mine in the demise of our marriage…but what about him? It definitely wasn’t about my working…that is why he stayed as long as he did …a whole 13 years, because I did everything…the laundry, the cooking, the working, the nurturing, etc. I was his free ride in life! No Beaver I don’t hate men or their seed even after all I went through to survive with my children. I love men, I have not lost faith in God, if anything my faith is stronger for what I have gone through. My sons and daughter are very wonderful moral people. They pray for their dad, that he will someday get better and not hate himself for what he did to them.

Before you blame working women for the plight of mankind, think of all the mom’s like me that had no choices. I am strong, and I am loving all at the same time. I can manage more than just my household…because I had too. It didn’t take away from the fact that I raised my kids and they are turning out pretty well. If I was adversarial I would blame men like my ex that just up and leave and not support their children for the moral decay and plight of our nation, but i know there are many good men out there. I blame apathy and ingratitude. I blame selfishness, everybody wanting their way. I blame liberals…yes liberals for trying to legitimize the way I have had to live for everybody. Their welfare programs that suck you in so you can’t get a job if you want one. The “politically correct” way we cannot condemn immoral behavior. I could go on and on. But the truth of the matter is that society has not made a huge impact on my family because they are grounded in Christ. If more parents spent their time teaching their children about God than they do trying to buy the kid everything they ever wanted, there would be more kids growing up with moral values and passing them on to their children…

 

[Beaver]

OhioBob:

That’s quite a rant, but I’ll bite.

Men have just as much of a role in promoting a contraceptive mentality as women. I know plenty of men who could care less about their “seed”. Their main interest lies elsewhere. If they ever develop a male contraceptive pill, men will be among the ones cheering the loudest.

As men we have done a splendid job of devaluing sex all by ourselves. Blaming it all on “feminists” (whatever they are) is a cop out. We need to take more responsibility, not less.

So man up.

Oh! Do I agree with you but we do not need any help from the feminists.They could be on our side instead of the enemy.

 

[Beaver]

dwc:

It’s very strange how I live with my family every day and yet you insist that you, who has never met us, know that we’re dysfunctional and that my husband is bitter and calamity is in store for us. I’m not going to bother trying to convince you, because I don’t care that much what you think. You seem quite bitter. I’m sorry for whatever has hurt you in your life.

You would not have respond, if you did not care. I have hit upon something you have not considered. Nether you or I, women or men are God something this culture denies. Other first and a miracle will happen “The Last will be First”.

 

[Beaver]

My original statement blames the culture and not women in general. It was an attempt at understanding the culture of death.

 

[Beaver]

OhioBob:

That’s quite a rant, but I’ll bite.

Men have just as much of a role in promoting a contraceptive mentality as women. I know plenty of men who could care less about their “seed”. Their main interest lies elsewhere. If they ever develop a male contraceptive pill, men will be among the ones cheering the loudest.

As men we have done a splendid job of devaluing sex all by ourselves. Blaming it all on “feminists” (whatever they are) is a cop out. We need to take more responsibility, not less.

So man up.

I do not understand the male side of this topic either, where do get off not protect thier seed. How foollish can they be!

 

[Beaver]

BlestOne:

So Beaver…let me get this right. I was married once and I worked and he didn’t so I am a feminist by your definition. I had 4 children by this man, while I worked and while I paid all the bills and while I paid for him to go to school. I am an evil feminist? I hate men and their seed? I think not. I was doing what I had to do to ensure the survival of my family. Fastforward about 9 years…He has actually been working for 2 years and I am still working too. On his days off he still won’t watch our children, on my days off I have them. Finally one day he walks out the door…takes all the money and leaves the kids. No Child support, no phone calls no visitation with his own flesh and blood. I work because I have to. I have no clue if I would work or stay at home if I had the choice because I have never had the choice. My children have food in their bellies and clothes on their backs because I provided it for them. Yet in this you think I am wrong, that i somehow hate men and their seed? It has been about 8-9 years since he walked out. I stayed at home with them every second I wasn’t working to provide for them. I had no breaks, no dates or vacations away from my children, it was me all the time…yet somehow this is my fault? Surely I am responsible for my part and I accept there is a part of the burden that is mine in the demise of our marriage…but what about him? It definitely wasn’t about my working…that is why he stayed as long as he did …a whole 13 years, because I did everything…the laundry, the cooking, the working, the nurturing, etc. I was his free ride in life! No Beaver I don’t hate men or their seed even after all I went through to survive with my children. I love men, I have not lost faith in God, if anything my faith is stronger for what I have gone through. My sons and daughter are very wonderful moral people. They pray for their dad, that he will someday get better and not hate himself for what he did to them.

Before you blame working women for the plight of mankind, think of all the mom’s like me that had no choices. I am strong, and I am loving all at the same time. I can manage more than just my household…because I had too. It didn’t take away from the fact that I raised my kids and they are turning out pretty well. If I was adversarial I would blame men like my ex that just up and leave and not support their children for the moral decay and plight of our nation, but i know there are many good men out there. I blame apathy and ingratitude. I blame selfishness, everybody wanting their way. I blame liberals…yes liberals for trying to legitimize the way I have had to live for everybody. Their welfare programs that suck you in so you can’t get a job if you want one. The “politically correct” way we cannot condemn immoral behavior. I could go on and on. But the truth of the matter is that society has not made a huge impact on my family because they are grounded in Christ. If more parents spent their time teaching their children about God than they do trying to buy the kid everything they ever wanted, there would be more kids growing up with moral values and passing them on to their children…

Now, you think like i do, God bless

 

[BlestOne]

Beaver:

Now, you think like i do, God bless

But you didn’t answer any of my questions…
I had 4 children by this man, while I worked and while I paid all the bills and while I paid for him to go to school. I am an evil feminist? I hate men and their seed?

My children have food in their bellies and clothes on their backs because I provided it for them. Yet in this you think I am wrong, that i somehow hate men and their seed?

I had no breaks, no dates or vacations away from my children, it was me all the time…yet somehow this is my fault?

…but what about him?

and what about this?
Before you blame working women for the plight of mankind, think of all the mom’s like me that had no choices. I am strong, and I am loving all at the same time. I can manage more than just my household…because I had too.

Truth is I am the epitome of everything you hate…yet I did what I had to do for my children…how can you hate that?

 

[Beaver]

BlestOne:

But you didn’t answer any of my questions…
I had 4 children by this man, while I worked and while I paid all the bills and while I paid for him to go to school. I am an evil feminist? I hate men and their seed?

My children have food in their bellies and clothes on their backs because I provided it for them. Yet in this you think I am wrong, that i somehow hate men and their seed?

I had no breaks, no dates or vacations away from my children, it was me all the time…yet somehow this is my fault?

…but what about him?

and what about this?
Before you blame working women for the plight of mankind, think of all the mom’s like me that had no choices. I am strong, and I am loving all at the same time. I can manage more than just my household…because I had too.

Truth is I am the epitome of everything you hate…yet I did what I had to do for my children…how can you hate that?

A disfunctional family can be defined as any family than is not God centered. Since your husband had not placed God in the center of his marriage, you had to suffer. The same can happen to a husband. A functional family place God at its center. You can see that this does not happen very offen, but when it does it is beautiful and quite a blessing. As the man above said “Men hate their own seed as well”, it appears that was your husband’s attitute, it sure was not mine.

 

[JessHav]

Beaver,

I would like to throw in my opinion that you cannot tell dwc that she is promoting a culture of death just because she doesn’t agree with your opinion…and you can’t tell blestone that she agrees with your opinion because you misconstrued her answer to see what you wanted to see.
I think that your bitterness is personal, not societal or even cultural. Please don’t attack women like this…it is unmerited (for most of us Christian women on the forum at least) and you leave no room for productive discussion.

God Bless,
Jess Havin

 

[Beaver]

JessHav:

Beaver,

I would like to throw in my opinion that you cannot tell dwc that she is promoting a culture of death just because she doesn’t agree with your opinion…

Oh! I see, I give a woman the gift of life and she can do what ever she wants is that it, did I get it straight…No Thanks

JessHav:

…and you can’t tell blestone that she agrees with your opinion because you misconstrued her answer to see what you wanted to see.

I could see this one coming…

JessHav:

I think that your bitterness is personal, not societal or even cultural. Please don’t attack women like this…it is unmerited (for most of us Christian women on the forum at least) and you leave no room for productive discussion.

Yes, the culture of death does make me bitter.

God Bless,
Jess Havin

 

[turboEDvo]

Beaver:

You are a disfunctional family, this cause social problems. Just because you can make through the day does not make you functional. You have rejected your husband and you feel there should be no hard feelings. You think that he is not bitter. That bitterness will go somewhere.

Mods, can we please close this disfunctional thread? This is rediculous.

Eamon

 

[Peter_Wright]

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