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Can Universal Unitarianism be considered a denomination, or even a religion unto itself?

I ask this because ther was that Congressman who was a member of that and he was also an atheist. I don’t understand how that can be.

If it’s okay to be atheist in Universal Unitarianism, what exactly do those people believe in? I mean, they must have a creed; even Freemasons and American Atheists have a creed of some sort. And when they get together to practise their beliefs, what exactly happens if there are people in there who simply don’t believe?
 
Can Universal Unitarianism be considered a denomination, or even a religion unto itself?

I ask this because ther was that Congressman who was a member of that and he was also an atheist. I don’t understand how that can be.

If it’s okay to be atheist in Universal Unitarianism, what exactly do those people believe in? I mean, they must have a creed; even Freemasons and American Atheists have a creed of some sort. And when they get together to practise their beliefs, what exactly happens if there are people in there who simply don’t believe?
Read about their principles.
 
I attended a concert at the local Unitarian-Universalist church years ago. In their tract rack was one entitled, “Can an atheist be a member of a church?” The answer was, “Yes, if it’s UU.”

It’s not for nothing that UUs are not members of either the National or World Council of Churches. They are refused entrance.
 
Read about their principles.
Thanks for that, but I’m still confused after looking there. On this page of the Principles section uua.org/visitors/6798.shtml it says that Universal Unitarianism is sourced from God’s love. But, if one is an atheist, how can you believe in the love of God when you don’t believe God even exists?

On the left, there’s a section about Unitarian worship. But again, if atheists go there and are an accepted part of the organisation, what exactly do they do? Worshipping is an act toward God, but atheists cannot worship God when they don’t even believe in God.

It also uses words like “religious” and “spiritual” in a positive context, which atheists typically just reject.

Now, Congressman Stark could of course just be an odd anomaly in the group, just a member of their religion who became an atheist. But, apparently atheists make up almost one-fifth of the Universal Unitarian movement. So, atheism in that group isn’t a rare occurence.
 
Not to nit pick, but the name of the denomination is Unitarian Universalism.

The denomination is non-creedal and allows people to define god, the divine, the higher power for themselves.

Worship, in general, is awe and reverence shown to someone or something, it is not limited to deity, or to a specific deity. Some people worship ideas, or things.

Atheists may find they revere nature, humanity, human endeavor, or may feel they worship nothing, according to UU, that is fine.

I attended a UU church for a number of years, and our congregation was pretty lite on worship. There is a nominal moment of silence in each service to “honor the divine silence or the divine as we see fit”.

I repeatedly asked why they referred to themselves as a church and to their services as worship services, because neither title really seemed appropriate. It seems to be for cultural reasons…ie, because people see it as “church” and are used to calling it a worship service.

Many congregations do however use the terms “fellowship time” and “fellowship” in liew of worship service and church.

I know a number of Atheists that attend UU, or are involved in other spiritual groups. Not believing in a deity does not mean a person does not have and practice a spirituality.

This can be hard, or even impossible for a theist to truly understand if they find their spirituality completely wedded to their deity, but it is the case that people without a belief in deity still have a spiritual nature.

They find it satisfying, challenging, and purposeful to gather with others for a common good cause, to hear a message that is uplifting and calls them to service and justice.

I did not find UU satisfied my spiritual nature or practice, but many do find a spiritual home there.
 
Can Universal Unitarianism be considered a denomination, or even a religion unto itself?

I ask this because ther was that Congressman who was a member of that and he was also an atheist. I don’t understand how that can be.

If it’s okay to be atheist in Universal Unitarianism, what exactly do those people believe in? I mean, they must have a creed; even Freemasons and American Atheists have a creed of some sort. And when they get together to practise their beliefs, what exactly happens if there are people in there who simply don’t believe?
It’s helpful to look at their history. In 1961 the American Unitarian Association merged with the failing Universalist Church in America. The Universalist Church were Christian theological liberals. They believed in universal salvation from a Christian, Biblical perspective. The Unitarians were also “Christian” in nature, but denied the Trinity, which the Universalists did not deny. The two merged because they did have some distinct similarities in their beliefs regardless of their differences.

I believe over time their liberalism got the best of them. They still hold to some Christian traditions, but are moving farther and farther away from that. The only reason this was of interest to me was because I became a student of Christian universalism teaching. I think Christian universalism pretty much died after the merger. Pity.

Peace…

MW
 
Something I’ve always wondered (and since Cheddarsox was a member, maybe he/she can answer this) is why an atheist would belong to a UU church, when they could just join the Ethical Humanist society? They meet on Sunday mornings as well, and have talks on different topics, and usually some type of music, sometimes even a separate program for kids (I’ve never been to a meeting, this is just from what I’ve read in their advertisements, which is in the same section of Saturday’s paper as all the churches), but nothing about deities or spiritualities or anything at all. Just curious.

In Christ,

Ellen
 
Why go to a church that doesn’t share a set of beliefs at all? Why not catch some sleep on Sunday or work and earn money? If you want to hash out different ideas about the divine and human endeavor that’s called a salon, isn’t it?
 
Something I’ve always wondered (and since Cheddarsox was a member, maybe he/she can answer this) is why an atheist would belong to a UU church, when they could just join the Ethical Humanist society? They meet on Sunday mornings as well, and have talks on different topics, and usually some type of music, sometimes even a separate program for kids (I’ve never been to a meeting, this is just from what I’ve read in their advertisements, which is in the same section of Saturday’s paper as all the churches), but nothing about deities or spiritualities or anything at all. Just curious.

In Christ,

Ellen
Well, No, I was never a member. I didn’t join, and that was not an accident. I don’t believe in and support lots of what they do and believe as a denomination. However, the polity (structure) of the denomination is congregational, which means that each congregation is autonomous. They don’t have to do things according to the official UUA position, etc, but can decide how to run themselves.

This means that there are a wide variety of “styles” of UU fellowships. Some are rather Christian, and do Bible readings and sing more traditional Christian hymns. Others are humanist,some pagan, and some a wide mix from world religions. It also means that when the congregation chooses a new minister, things can go in a wildly different direction.

So, when I first moved to this area, that fellowship had a wonderful minister, and was involved in things I supported. It was a good fit, but he was offered a better job in another state, and then things began to go very loopy. My family was very involved at that point, so we tried to stay on, but eventually I just couldn’t, in good conscience or sanity, continue to be a part of it. I stopped, and one by one the others have come to the same conclusion.

I am not an atheist,but I know quite a number who did attend that fellowship. And yes, there are aspects of UU that are like a salon, where people talk about different concepts of divine and spirituality, so that is one appeal. Also, many atheists are involved in social justice and community service, and UU churches are often very active in those areas.

Some UU fellowships are basically intellectual salons without much focus on spirituality. Others are more blended, while others focus a great deal on the divine. There is friction between the humanists and more spiritual types. Sometimes they simply choose to have different congregations that focus on different things, other places they have sub groups in the congregation. So, one service on Sunday with a mix of things to appeal to both, and on Wed night…a humanist group, a Bible study group and a pagan group might all be meeting in different rooms.

UU people gather together for the same reasons other people do. For fellowship, because they feel lifted up when they get together with others and hear an uplifting message, to join forces in acts of service and justice, to be challenged to be their best selves by other people, and to likewise challenge others to be their best selves.

People put forth energy, and effort and make sacrifices of personal comfort all the time for things they believe are good and worthwhile. They do not have to be threatened with eternal punishment in order to feel it worthwhile to get out of bed on a Sunday and participate in something positive and larger than themselves.

Not all areas have Humanist groups or salons. In some areas the UU functions as such.

Atheists belong to UU fellowships because they find they are places they can get their personal, spiritual and social needs met. Nothing mysterious about it.
 
Why go to a church that doesn’t share a set of beliefs at all? Why not catch some sleep on Sunday or work and earn money? If you want to hash out different ideas about the divine and human endeavor that’s called a salon, isn’t it?
The one I visited a few times reminded me of a College level world religions course. The lectures (I cannot say sermons) were very interesting. Every meeting they covered a different religion, with a speaker from that religion. Only real differences from a world religions class I noticed were the “Hymns” about being happy and protecting the environment, and the Children’s “Sunday School” class which from what I saw kids leaving with was mainly about protecting the environment.

I went cause a BF at the time wanted me to and it really was very interesting. A class like that at the local university would cost money. 🤷
 
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This can be hard, or even impossible for a theist to truly understand if they find their spirituality completely wedded to their deity, but it is the case that people without a belief in deity still have a spiritual nature.

I did not find UU satisfied my spiritual nature or practice, but many do find a spiritual home there.yes it is true that a person can not beleive in the the deity and still be spritual.cause that is how we are made with flesh and spirit.it is our spirit that gives us life and that same spirit united to God gives us life everlasting.
 
The one I visited a few times reminded me of a College level world religions course. The lectures (I cannot say sermons) were very interesting. Every meeting they covered a different religion, with a speaker from that religion. Only real differences from a world religions class I noticed were the “Hymns” about being happy and protecting the environment, and the Children’s “Sunday School” class which from what I saw kids leaving with was mainly about protecting the environment.

I went cause a BF at the time wanted me to and it really was very interesting. A class like that at the local university would cost money. 🤷
I went to a couple of UU meetings as a guest and hated it. I was a teenager. The talks were people’s individual casual speeches on their own development as ethical people and the songs were self-congratulatory and hollow, as it looked to me. I had no real religious direction then, was basically atheist but wondering, and found it offensive for the reasons above. My aunt likes the UU group she’s in. So does a friend. But if I didn’t know God I would be doing something else on Sunday morning – working out or resting at home, maybe. I don’t think spirituality can be separated from striving to know and serve God, so the idea of spiritual needs being met without acknowledging God seems like a contradiction to me. And for me worship can be quiet or noisy, but it’s never just about me.
 
a Pastor of a Christian church (which he described as “very liberal”) and who was also a religion professor called the UU the most liberal “church” available.

it’s about as watered down as a cup of water.
 
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