Unqualified RCIA "facilitator"

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Last week I accompanied my girlfriend to RCIA inquiry classes. She’s not necessarily converting yet, but she wants answers. She wants to get into the nuts & bolts of Catholicism and compare it to scripture. I went with her because I was trying to be supportive and she seemed to want me there. I also wanted to see if it would be worth her time.

The class was held in the basement of the cathedral of the big, local diocese. Roughly fifteen people showed up, and nearly all of them were there for marital reasons–they’d either married a Catholic, or were planning to. They had quite a diverse background, but they were all more or less life-long Christians (with the exception of one atheist).

The “facilitator,” as she described herself, was a very nice woman. Very approachable. She gathered up questions written down on little strips of paper and “analyzed” them. A common theme was the Immaculate Conception–my girlfriend had even asked a question that touched on that. So, the facilitaor decided to focus on that for the first answer.

“Well,” she said with a big smile, “The Immaculate Conception is one of those things the Church has always believed. You pretty much have to just accept it.”

That was it. Except for a short monologue about “What the Immaculate Conception means to me,” she had nothing to offer. I’m not being one of these holier-than-thou traditional Catholic types, I’m serious–it’s as though she was trying to fake her way through something she’d never heard of before. I could see these “Bible-based,” scripture-saturated lifelong non-denoms looking down at their hands and I imagined they were thinking “WHAT am I doing here?”

I had to break in and do a little explaining. I talked about kecharitomene for the most part, and that seemed to save the beginning of the experience from total despair. However, the rest of the night was just about the same: She fumbled, everyone talked about their feelings, I wrapped up the segment with something meaty.

I wroter her an e-mail the next day offering any help. She wants to meet with me for lunch so she can get to know me better. My girlfriend wants me to step away from theology for a while because I DO get a little intense sometimes, and I’d like to oblige (oh how I’d like to oblige), but what’s happening in that Church basement is depressing. Worst-case scenario–these proto-catechumenists will be turned off by the Church. Best-case–they join the Church poorly-educated. (This woman also strongly hinted at the idea that some things are “optional.”)

That’s your report from the front lines…
 
A few of thoughts to consider.

First, RCIA is a process more than it is a class. Having been on our parish’s RCIA team for five years now, I can tell you that the Holy Spirit seems to work overtime on these folks who are coming into the faith. I’ve seen the most dyed in the wool skeptic become a huge defender of the faith…not because we did such a great job teaching theology…but because he opened his heart enough to let the Holy Spirit in.

Second, in our parish we have a team of people that help out. Our Director of Religious Education teaches the class and does a wonderful job, but we also have a team of folks who know the faith. Perhaps you could volunteer to be on the team.

Finally, there’s no way to fully impart this beautiful Catholic faith one night a week for a couple of hours. The people going through the RCIA process have to take some their own initiative to learn the faith. If it just came down to facts, we could just give people a book; have them take a test; and let them in based on their score. A good amount of prayer comes into play.

If you truly believe the RCIA instructor is unqualified, talk to the Pastor and give him specific examples. But before you do just consider that as God has called these people to be in this class…he may be calling you to help as well.
 
Hi MM!

Rough one huh? My wife and I went through RCIA last year and ours wasn’t too bad at all. Human beings being what they are and all… 😃

Suggestion:
Since this lady may not be the apologetics 'freak" that you and I are. (And yes, I had all kinds of compliments from the teaching team & other folks on my knowlege), help her out a bit by printing the CA tracts on those topics and take 'em with you when you meet her for lunch. Many people don’t know about all the resources out there and have volunteered. You might include a link to the CA Library in your next e-mail to the facilitator.

Next week when you guys meet, take 15 or so copies of the one on the IC and share them with all. If you get a postive response from your facilitator then you can sort of plan to do that with each topic to be covered.

Your g/f may be a little rattled by your zeal, (hey, we can get feisty! 😉 ) Think carefully before you respond to anything and gentle down your responses by 2 steps or so. Remember that these folks are there because they wanna be, so this is not as hostile a crowd as we deal with on the n-C forums, though they may well have been exposed to that rhetoric. The Holy Spirit and the truth will do all the work, all you gotta do is supply that info.

PM me if you need more help and prayer, as I’ll be happy to watch your back on both counts, as you well know.
Pax tecum,
 
Hi, montanaman,

I sat thru RCIA twice, being there because people I cared
about were going thru it.

In one session, when the leadership representative tried
to explain “transubstantiation”, it was fumbled so badly,
that I asked if I could have a go at it. [And I’m a “fallen
away” Catholic! :eek: ]

There’s nothing like the old Baltimore Catechism, for
equipping, even a “back-slider”, to explain the truths of
the faith. I couldn’t believe it!

If the Church has to rely on the likes of me to convey
doctrine, she’s in BIGGGG trouble.

{BTW, many of my contempories haven’t darkened
the doorstep of a Church in 40 years, but just about
*all *of them could give a cogent defintion of transubstantiation,
the four marks of the Church, clear definitions of the
sacramental system…]

IMO, the near collapse of the Catholic school system
bodes ill for the passing on of doctrine. As time goes
by, the parents of young children will not be equipped
to pass on the faith, since they themselves will have
been catechized insufficiently. They won’t even
know that anythings missing.

However, all of us might ponder the following:

How is it that those who *were *“adequately” catechized,
stay away from Mass in droves?

How is it that I’m known as “the Catholic” among those
who were adequately catechized? And, technically,
I’m a heretic.

This is pitiful.

So much for the “if only we could adequately catechize the current generation.”

The difficulty lies, IMHO, when children become
adults, and one day find themselves saying:

“Says who?” in terms of Church authority, claims to
infallibility. Fathers of the Church become one more
group of “experts” who can be accepted…or ignored.

“If I’d been born in Thailand, I’d be reciting sutras this morning.
It’s a quirk of fate, not grace, that I was baptized Christian.
Only 1 out of 6 people on the planet accept this.”

Or, worse yet: “It’s irrelevant to my life…real life.”
And this, from the “adequately” catechized.

“When I was a child, I thought as a child. Now that
I’m an adult, I put away childish things.” St. Paul

That, too, is a two-edged sword, as parental
authority is enfolded into Church authority, and the
whole ball of wax is discarded, being seen as “the
same thing.”

Again, so much for “adequate” catechesis.

Any thoughts, montanaman?

Best,
reen12

I’m in the hope that converts and those who return to
the Church as adults, will be the catalyst for reviving
and keeping the doctrines of the Faith alive…the remnant?
 
quote: Church Militant
The Holy Spirit and the truth will do all the work, all you gotta do is supply that info.
And that is the short answer to my jeremiad, above.
Issues of catechesis aside, the Holy Spirit works
as He wills.

Note, too, that you have returned to the Church,
right? [or are you a convert? I can’t recall]
[See the line below my signature, in my post, above,[/color]
OK?]

Best to you, Michael, and God bless you,

Maureen

Does God use even the “fallen away” to do His work? 🙂
 
For specific topics… look at Tan Publishers out of Rockford Illinois.
tanbooks.com/

Tan generally does not waste its time with conversational books… it focuses on SPECIFIC TOPIC holy material with excellent authors. Mary is strongly represented there.

Look at “The Faith Explained” By Leo Trese
Scepter Press is also a good one used by Opus Dei.

My RCIA class was a sort of “sharing group” where what the Holy Spirit was doing in our lives came up and was discussed.
It was not I think much of a tutorial or intro on specific questions. But then it happened quite a while back and the experience is fuzzy. That is to say nothing much stands out in retrospect.

Men can mess things up too… but Generally I have a deep personal preference for male leaders. The ladies like to give their opinions but generally I have found (so far anyway) they are not much on the way of solid research… The situation happens I think oftentimes simply because the men that need to be there have not chosen to do what God wants them to do… No offense ladies I’m sure some of you out there are absolutely dynamite…
It is just my preference…in the current time slice.

Also don’t count on positively authentic information from any one individual contact in the church. Just because they fill the position does not mean they have the accurate data. They will however usually have the “want to do the right thing” attitude. This is true for the priesthood as well as the lay. The Holy Father and the Vatican of course are exceptions to this broad generalization. Catholic Answers appears to be doing a nice job.

Just don’t go to a Catholic labeled get-together and play dumb little bird by closing your eyes and opening your mouth so an unknown “authority” or leader can drop unknown material into your gullet.

Develop a holy nose for good information and follow it. The magisterium can be trusted… books by the saints can be trusted… most of the rest of us out here are trainees like yourself.
 
Hi, Mike Cooksey,

quote; Mike Cooksey
Men can mess things up too… but Generally I have a deep personal preference for male leaders.
Well, all I can tell you is that the “facilitator” I mentioned
in post #4 was a male…
I, the feminine element and heretic, had to explain
transubstantiation [with a brief side-trip into Aristotelian
metaphysical terms.]

Additionally, a woman I know [with an IQ of about 140] is
studying to become a “facilitator” because she is in such
distress over the catechetical situation.

Edith Stein, pray for us,

Best,
reen12

I should have said: St. Edith Stein, pray for us.

geocities.com/baltimorecarmel/stein/

and the text of Dr. Stein’s letter to the Pope, in 1933

geocities.com/baltimorecarmel/stein/1933let.html
 
Church Militant:
You might include a link to the CA Library in your next e-mail to the facilitator.

Next week when you guys meet, take 15 or so copies of the one on the IC and share them with all. If you get a postive response from your facilitator then you can sort of plan to do that with each topic to be covered.
Um, I can’t quite tell if a clarification is needed here. I’d be sure to not pass out materials to the class (as a class member and not the leader) without first getting permission from whomever is in charge. Be sure whomever is in charge (like the parish priest or perhaps the facilitator) knows about the matierials and approves them first. I know, we are talking CA tracts, and they are just fine, but still.

Often, in RCIA, a focus on apologetics is not what is needed. Also, RCIA classes are used as a catch-all, unfortunately. It is a mixed group with different needs.
 
She gathered up questions written down on little strips of paper and “analyzed” them.
Is this all she did? Did she have a lesson plan prepared? Was there any attempt at giving a systematic presentation of the faith in the class?
Except for a short monologue about “What the Immaculate Conception means to me,” she had nothing to offer.
Many RCIA classes are run on the touchy-feely-only model (hey gang, lets get in touch with our feelings about this issue …). Catechesis is seen as nothing more than presenting a doctrine, or “opening the scriptures”, and then having everyone shares their feelings about what was just presented. Endless conversation about how the Spirit is working in one’s personal life. Never a systematic presentation of the faith, nor an exposition of the hard teachings of the church (e.g. artificial contraception is a mortal sin, active homosexuality is mortal sin, divorce is mortal sin, etc.)
I wrote her an e-mail the next day offering any help. She wants to meet with me for lunch so she can get to know me better
Meet with her, and insist that she bring a syllabus of what will be presented during the classes. Ask how she intends to present a systematic exposition of the faith in its entirety.
75. A suitable catechesis is provided by priests or deacons, or by catechists and others of the faithful, planned to be gradual and complete in its coverage …
  1. The instruction that the catechumens receive during this period should be of a kind that while presenting Catholic teaching in its entirety
Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults, 1985, ICEL
 
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StCsDavid:
Finally, there’s no way to fully impart this beautiful Catholic faith one night a week for a couple of hours.
Yes, there is, if the RCIA program is focused and if the RCIA program is long enough. Starting classes in September, meeting once a week for an hour, and trying to be done by Easter will not work in most cases.
The people going through the RCIA process have to take some their own initiative to learn the faith.
The candidates and catechumens cannot be expected to learn the faith unless someone is making an attempt at a systematic presentation of the faith. It is true that the candidates and catechumens should be reading material at home so that they are prepared for class the following week. And they should be meeting with their sponsors during the week to discuss what is being presented.
 
Okay, there’s nothing like a bunch of minds working in parallel to put things in perspective. 😉

I may have been too hasty to condemn her for not being as brilliant and useful as myself, and I will definitely watch that in the future. I think I did a good job of it initially–instead of writing her a heated letter telling her to take the focus off of herself, I merely offered my help and accepted her offer of lunch to discuss.

Still and all, there should be a systematic exposition of the faith, and if I end up doing some volunteer work for the class, I’ll push for something more formal. These people are likely facing the condemnation of family members and the voice of their conscience (if they have any doubts whatsoever). The least we can do is give them the truth and not water anything down…
 
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montanaman:
Last week I accompanied my girlfriend to RCIA inquiry classes. She’s not necessarily converting yet, but she wants answers. She wants to get into the nuts & bolts of Catholicism and compare it to scripture. I went with her because I was trying to be supportive and she seemed to want me there. I also wanted to see if it would be worth her time.
Then you should get her the book The *nuts & bolts of Catholicism *as well as The Scriptural Roots of Catholic Teaching.
 
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montanaman:
I wroter her an e-mail the next day offering any help. She wants to meet with me for lunch so she can get to know me better. My girlfriend wants me to step away from theology for a while because I DO get a little intense sometimes, and I’d like to oblige (oh how I’d like to oblige), but what’s happening in that Church basement is depressing. Worst-case scenario–these proto-catechumenists will be turned off by the Church. Best-case–they join the Church poorly-educated. (This woman also strongly hinted at the idea that some things are “optional.”)

That’s your report from the front lines…
You have got to remember that Inquiry is not Theology 101. Yes questions should be clearly answered. But most of the explaination should come with that topic when it is discussed in the Catechetical sessions, Specifically for Dec. 8th and the Feast of the Immaculate Conception. Inquiry should be where I am in my Faith journey and what is drawing me to the Catholic Church.
 
I went through RCIA six years ago. It was led by a wonderful priest from a religious order. These are my thoughts. First, I wouldn’t underestimate the importance of a warm and open personality (which it sounds like the facilitator has). I know that for those looking for a more intellecutal approach (as I was, coming from an evangelical background) this factor can seem irrelevant. But the students in the class are coming from a number of different places and perspectives and, for many, if they feel the leader is welcoming, and enthusiastic about the faith, this feeling will go a long way.

There was a guy in my RCIA class who occasionally accompanied his girlfriend and he regularly interrupted the priest to provide ‘background’ information-- or more ‘meat’… I think most of the class, including myself, found him annoying. There’s a balance between contributing and assuming a patronizing or self-serving stance.

I think the people looking for a more intellectual approach will do additional reading and study on their own–I read the Catechism and other materials between class meetings. If I had a question I posed it to a priest or someone else I trusted, sometimes in RCIA and sometimes outside of the class structure. Maybe one of the best things you could do would be, as already noted, provide solid reading materials for those who wish to go deeper.

And pray for the Holy Spirit to enlighten the students.

I think the one thing to look out for in RCIA is if the leader apologizes for certain Church teachings, or waters down the hard teachings (particularly on socially sensitive issues), or basically comes across as saying 'well, all faith traditions are essentially the same but here’s our faith tradition…"… Then you have a problem!
 
Brother Rich and edmondhall,

quote: Br. Rich SFO
Inquiry should be where I am in my Faith journey and what is drawing me to the Catholic Church
I gotta tell you, Brother, if I wanted to convert to
Orthodox Judaism, the first time the rabbi used
the words "where I am in my Faith journey - I’d be
out the door.
I would have found that phrase unendurable -by age 20.
quote: edmondhall
There was a guy in my RCIA class who occasionally accompanied his girlfriend and he regularly interrupted the priest to provide ‘background’ information-- or more ‘meat’… I think most of the class, including myself, found him annoying. There’s a balance between contributing and assuming a patronizing or self-serving stance.
Also a good insight, IMHO.

I, who don’t give a* hoot *about the whole process,
reluctantly offered the Church’s definition of transubstantiation,
in the class I sat thru with those I cared about. [see post #4]

It’s too bad, from my perspective, that adults weren’t
using terms like where am I, in my faith journey, and
weren’t trying to be all warm and welcoming…

If they had been, I’d have left the Church much, much,
earlier.

I wouldn’t have been able to take it seriously.

reen12
 
sorry reen12, just to clarify, I wasn’t implying that you (or MM) were anything like the guy (the interrupter) I’m referrring to.
 
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edmondhall:
sorry reen12, just to clarify, I wasn’t implying that you (or MM) were anything like the guy (the interrupter) I’m referrring to.
I appreciate that, edmondhall.
I honestly tried to stay out of it. And I have come across
the type of person you’re describing. And they’re
pretty hard to take.

quote:edmondhall
I think the people looking for a more intellectual approach will do additional reading and study on their own–I read the Catechism and other materials between class meetings.
You cheer me up with the above words.
I never cease to be amazed at how we all learn from
one another. In my day [let’s not go there, it’s too
far back 🙂 ] there was precious little of the warm
and friendly. Doctrine was one subject among many
subjects, so I suppose we could have used some
warm and friendly.

Your post, above, has allowed me to see that it
doesn’t have to be either/or. It can be both/and.

Thanks for giving me this insight,

Best,
reen12
 
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Matt16_18:
Endless conversation about how the Spirit is working in one’s personal life. Never a systematic presentation of the faith, nor an exposition of the hard teachings of the church
Unfortunately, many RCIA programs tend to go in this direction. Part of it is due to the very structure of the RCIA which is supposed to be based on the liturgy.

It’s hard to present doctrine in an organized way when you are trying to tie each session in with the Sunday readings and the liturgical year. It doesn’t always get done. Because the primary emphasis is liturgy, second is faith sharing, third is catechesis. I’m afraid it’s a method I’ve never quite gotten accustomed to.

People who come from protestant and evangelical and baptist backgrounds often do have specific doctrinal questions that they want answered, and if we are simply “sharing faith stories” and not answering their questions competently we do them a disservice.

It seems odd that we always have to be finding outside resources for those who are interested in doctrine; the basics should be covered in RCIA.
 
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montanaman:
Worst-case scenario–these proto-catechumenists will be turned off by the Church. Best-case–they join the Church poorly-educated. (This woman also strongly hinted at the idea that some things are “optional.”)
I faced that when I went through RCIA, but I went in pretty much already educated about the Catholic Faith, I was just going through the ropes so I could make my confirmation. Now that I’m confirmed, I have been helping out with RCIA. The people who teach it are nice, approachable, and faithful; but they don’t know church history and councils, that’s where I came in. I can’t wait to assist again this year.
 
Go for it, Psalm45:9 ! 🙂

[Wish I could sit in on that kind of class - my knowledge
of Church history and the various councils is pathetic.]

BTW, your work, in this area, confirms the view, that
I expressed above:
quote: reen12
I’m in the hope that converts and those who return to
the Church as adults, will be the catalyst for reviving
and keeping the doctrines of the Faith alive…the remnant?
Best to you,

reen12
 
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