Update :)

[beegirl]

I’ve officially left the Baptist church where I’ve been going with my family for 7 years. It wasn’t easy for them…or me, even. But I know I did the right thing. Before I left my parents wanted me to have a talk with my pastor, and I didn’t see the harm in it, so I did.

He said “I’ll only need 30 minutes.”

Well, that 30 minutes turned into an hour and a half of him literally crying, telling me I was damning myself to hell, and saying that he feels he is “the only person on the face of the earth who can save me”.

I tried to be respectful and assure him I was not forsaking my religion…I’m baptized, and I’m still a Christian.

We discussed bible verses. When I found verses supporting Catholicism, he informed me they had been “mistranslated”. This was a King James Bible, too. Ironically, he preceded to call Catholics “unbiblical”.

In the end, I told him I respected him and his opinion, but religion is something I need to work out with God and no one else. He prayed for me, which, hey, I have no problem with and then I left.

The meeting was awkward to say the least, but I’m proud of myself of behaving respectfully…which isn’t easy to do when being “damned to hell”.

Now I’m exclusively attending the Catholic church in my town, and I’ll be starting RCIA in September

Thanks to everyone who gave me advice, information, or simply prayed for me through this process.

 

[lizaanne]

…he feels he is “the only person on the face of the earth who can save me”.

This speaks volumes - you are clearly making the right decision to get away from that very spiritually damaging environment.

The meeting was awkward to say the least, but I’m proud of myself of behaving respectfully…which isn’t easy to do when being “damned to hell”.

I’m proud of you too!!! I doubt I would be nearly as respectful.

Now I’m exclusively attending the Catholic church in my town, and I’ll be starting RCIA in September

Thanks to everyone who gave me advice, information, or simply prayed for me through this process.

Welcome HOME beegirl - welcome HOME!!

~Liza

 

[JRKH]

The best post I’ve read in some time

God bless you.

I love how he told you that you were mistranslating…(I’m sure he meant misinterpreting)… It never occurs to such a one that maybe they are mistranlating/misinterpreting…

Welcome Home beegirl.

Peace
James

 

[reaganjn]

lol too funny that is exactly why i left the baptist church…i was always being “damned to hell”

then i went episcopalian…then i SAW THE LIGHT!!! and came home to the Catholic Church this EASTER!!!

WELCOME HOME!!!

 

[Scoobyshme]

I’ve officially left the Baptist church where I’ve been going with my family for 7 years. It wasn’t easy for them…or me, even. But I know I did the right thing. Before I left my parents wanted me to have a talk with my pastor, and I didn’t see the harm in it, so I did.

He said “I’ll only need 30 minutes.”

Well, that 30 minutes turned into an hour and a half of him literally crying, telling me I was damning myself to hell, and saying that he feels he is “the only person on the face of the earth who can save me”.
I thought these folks believed that only Jesus could save?

I tried to be respectful and assure him I was not forsaking my religion…I’m baptized, and I’m still a Christian.

We discussed bible verses. When I found verses supporting Catholicism, he informed me they had been “mistranslated”. This was a King James Bible, too. Ironically, he preceded to call Catholics “unbiblical”.

In the end, I told him I respected him and his opinion, but religion is something I need to work out with God and no one else. He prayed for me, which, hey, I have no problem with and then I left.

The meeting was awkward to say the least, but I’m proud of myself of behaving respectfully…which isn’t easy to do when being “damned to hell”.

Now I’m exclusively attending the Catholic church in my town, and I’ll be starting RCIA in September

Thanks to everyone who gave me advice, information, or simply prayed for me through this process.

Welcome home, beegirl!

Here’s some pictures of the Vatican in 360 degree presentation, if you’ re interested. I think they’re gorgeous!

vatican.va/various/basili…ve1/index.html

vatican.va/various/cappel…_vr/index.html

vatican.va/various/basili…/index-en.html

 

[JohnDamian]

Congradulations on having the courage and strength to pursue your convictions.

Welcome.

 

[crazzeto]

Congratulations and welcome home!

 

[beegirl]

I love how he told you that you were mistranslating…(I’m sure he meant misinterpreting)… It never occurs to such a one that maybe they are mistranlating/misinterpreting…

Well…as crazy as it sounds…he really meant “mistanslating”.

The verse was Acts 2:38
“…be baptized every one of you for the remission of sins…”

My pastor told me that for should really be translated to say becasue of

Odd how one little word can change the entire meaning of a verse

 

[crazzeto]

Well…as crazy as it sounds…he really meant “mistanslating”.

The verse was Acts 2:38
“…be baptized every one of you for the remission of sins…”

My pastor told me that for should really be translated to say becasue of

Odd how one little word can change the entire meaning of a verse

I assume he says this on his own authority… How heartbreaking, that one would so refuse to accept the Gospel message as actually written in the name of their own traditions.

Beegirl, I can’t tell you how much I admire you for your ability to read the scriptures, perhaps the fathers and recorded history, and seeing the Church Christ founded. Sometimes I wonder if I would be as open and brave, I certainly hope so.

 

[beegirl]

thanks so much crazzeto

i’m still pretty young and i don’t claim to know everything about the scriptures…can anyone?
but I understand it to be the infallable word of God…and i don’t see how someone can just change it

thanks everyone for all your replies

 

[JRKH]

Well…as crazy as it sounds…he really meant “mistanslating”.

The verse was Acts 2:38
“…be baptized every one of you for the remission of sins…”

My pastor told me that for should really be translated to say becasue of

Odd how one little word can change the entire meaning of a verse

This piquesd my curiousity so I went to BibleStudyLight and looked up the verse. There are a couple of “literal translations”, and they translate it this way:
Young’s Literal Translation
and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,

J.P. Green’s Literal Translation
And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, each of you on the name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Certainly can’t see how either “For”, or “To”, can be translated as “because of”.

The Greek used here is “Eis” defined as meaning: “into, unto, to, towards, for, among”.
Again, not likely that this term could be seen as “because of”.

Peace
James

 

[beegirl]

The Greek used here is “Eis” defined as meaning: “into, unto, to, towards, for, among”.
Again, not likely that this term could be seen as “because of”.

Oddly enough that was the very argument he used. He told me the greek word should mean “becasue of”. I’m not fluent in greek …but he is the 1st person to tell me that

 

[JRKH]

Oddly enough that was the very argument he used. He told me the greek word should mean “becasue of”. I’m not fluent in greek …but he is the 1st person to tell me that

Well I can understand his confusion since in the comments made over at studylight they try to “explain it away” in this way.

From Studylight - Strongs
“For” (as used in Acts 2:38 “for the forgiveness…”) could have two meanings. If you saw a poster saying “Jesse James wanted for robbery”, “for” could mean Jesse is wanted so he can commit a robbery, or is wanted because he has committed a robbery. The later sense is the correct one. So too in this passage, the word “for” signifies an action in the past. Otherwise, it would violate the entire tenor of the NT teaching on salvation by grace and not by works.
Bolding Mine…
The last line demonstrates how the verse in question is being twisted in order to fit a given theological understanding.
The comment in general takes teh word “for” and tries to explain it away by using an analogy that is really comparable.
However, since your (former) pastor was likely taught by this misguided tradition, it would be very hard to convince him otherwise.

Peace
James

 

[Paul2274]

Way to go BeeGirl !!

Welcome to the swim team… now get you swimsuit on and get ready for Easter!

God Bless you and Peace Be With You,

Paul

 

[beegirl]

thanks for the clarification JRKH

and thanks Paul2274

 

[OneAugustKnight]

Well, that 30 minutes turned into an hour and a half of him literally crying, telling me I was damning myself to hell, and saying that he feels he is “the only person on the face of the earth who can save me”.

Christ is the only person on the face of the earth that can save any of us. I have respect for what you are doing, it couldn’t have been easy.

 

[Monica4316]

I’ve officially left the Baptist church where I’ve been going with my family for 7 years. It wasn’t easy for them…or me, even. But I know I did the right thing. Before I left my parents wanted me to have a talk with my pastor, and I didn’t see the harm in it, so I did.

He said “I’ll only need 30 minutes.”

Well, that 30 minutes turned into an hour and a half of him literally crying, telling me I was damning myself to hell, and saying that he feels he is “the only person on the face of the earth who can save me”.

I tried to be respectful and assure him I was not forsaking my religion…I’m baptized, and I’m still a Christian.

We discussed bible verses. When I found verses supporting Catholicism, he informed me they had been “mistranslated”. This was a King James Bible, too. Ironically, he preceded to call Catholics “unbiblical”.

In the end, I told him I respected him and his opinion, but religion is something I need to work out with God and no one else. He prayed for me, which, hey, I have no problem with and then I left.

The meeting was awkward to say the least, but I’m proud of myself of behaving respectfully…which isn’t easy to do when being “damned to hell”.

Now I’m exclusively attending the Catholic church in my town, and I’ll be starting RCIA in September

Thanks to everyone who gave me advice, information, or simply prayed for me through this process.

oh Beegirl… :hug1: that’s unfortunate that your pastor had this reaction! (though I think you handled it very well ) Before I was Catholic I went to a non denominational Protestant church, and when I became Catholic, a friend told me that to many Protestants, I might as well have become Buddhist. Often people have such huge misconceptions about Catholics… some don’t even seen us as Christians. But…yes this is based on misunderstanding and that’s great that God has lead you to the Church! do keep us updated on your journey!! I hope everything goes well with RCIA. Prayers for you God bless!!

 

[Adeodatus]

This piquesd my curiousity so I went to BibleStudyLight and looked up the verse. There are a couple of “literal translations”, and they translate it this way:
Young’s Literal Translation
and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,

J.P. Green’s Literal Translation
And Peter said to them, Repent and be baptized, each of you on the name of Jesus Christ to remission of sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Certainly can’t see how either “For”, or “To”, can be translated as “because of”.

The Greek used here is “Eis” defined as meaning: “into, unto, to, towards, for, among”.
Again, not likely that this term could be seen as “because of”.

Peace
James

God bless you, James. Good for you for going to the Greek.

My Greek is not anywhere near my Latin anymore (disuse, sadly), but “eis” sure does look like a preposition of something like entry or movement towards. My Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft version gives it as “into, to; in at, on, upon, by, near; among; against; concerning, as;”.

I don’t like to give opinions on Bible translation since I’m not very accomplished in that, but I can’t see a reason to translate “eis” the way Beegirl’s acquaintance was doing. I’d feel fairly confident in calling that fellow’s translation “idiosyncratic” and it obviously stands against the weight of 2000 years of apostolic tradition.

 

[JRKH]

Well I can understand his confusion since in the comments made over at studylight they try to “explain it away” in this way.

From Studylight - Strongs
“For” (as used in Acts 2:38 “for the forgiveness…”) could have two meanings. If you saw a poster saying “Jesse James wanted for robbery”, “for” could mean Jesse is wanted so he can commit a robbery, or is wanted because he has committed a robbery. The later sense is the correct one. So too in this passage, the word “for” signifies an action in the past. Otherwise, it would violate the entire tenor of the NT teaching on salvation by grace and not by works.
Bolding Mine…
The last line demonstrates how the verse in question is being twisted in order to fit a given theological understanding.
The comment in general takes teh word “for” and tries to explain it away by using an analogy that is really comparable.
However, since your (former) pastor was likely taught by this misguided tradition, it would be very hard to convince him otherwise.

Peace
James

I reread my post this morning and — OOOPPS — realized I left a very (name removed by moderator)ortant word out of the portion in red above. It should read that the analogy is NOT really comparable.

Gotta reread stuff before I post.:doh2::whacky:

Peace
James

 

[beegirl]

No problem JRKH…i think i got what you were saying

Christ is the only person on the face of the earth that can save any of us.

I agree 100%, OneAugustKnight!

Thanks alot Monica4316…your post was very encouraging