Using Hosts instead of Prosphora

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I was watching a Divine Liturgy on youtube (youtube.com/watch?v=HRDN6gwb2vE), and when it got to the Communion part, I saw priests distributing hosts instead of prosphora?

Is it okay to use Communion hosts instead of prosphora in a Divine Liturgy?

Kyle
 
yaycatholic said:
Hello!

I was watching a Divine Liturgy on youtube (youtube.com/watch?v=HRDN6gwb2vE), and when it got to the Communion part, I saw priests distributing hosts instead of prosphora?

Is it okay to use Communion hosts instead of prosphora in a Divine Liturgy?

Kyle
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There is absolutely no information about this video. Do you have any information about what occasion this was, and exactly which Rite of the church it was? “Grego Catolico” doesn’t really tell us anything. It certainly isn’t Byzantine Rite even though we’re sometimes called “Greek Catholic”.

As it is, it looks like a VERY weird mixture of Eastern and Western practices. Could this be a splinter group of some kind? Or was this some kind of East/West mixed liturgy? It looks like a special event, not a regular church service.
 
theistgal said:
There is absolutely no information about this video. Do you have any information about what occasion this was, and exactly which Rite of the church it was? “Grego Catolico” doesn’t really tell us anything. It certainly isn’t Byzantine Rite even though we’re sometimes called “Greek Catholic”.

As it is, it looks like a VERY weird mixture of Eastern and Western practices. Could this be a splinter group of some kind? Or was this some kind of East/West mixed liturgy? It looks like a special event, not a regular church service.
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Hello! This is a Ukrainian Catholic Divine Liturgy in Brazil. I think it was celebrated when the Cross and Icon of WYD visited their Eparchy?

First 2 Parts of the Full Divine Liturgy
youtube.com/watch?v=vHHG6HAUhGo - Part 1
youtube.com/watch?v=MmS_YTjaztk - Part 2
 
yaycatholic said:
Hello!

I was watching a Divine Liturgy on youtube (youtube.com/watch?v=HRDN6gwb2vE), and when it got to the Communion part, I saw priests distributing hosts instead of prosphora?

Is it okay to use Communion hosts instead of prosphora in a Divine Liturgy?

Kyle
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It’s forbidden in most of the byzantine Churches Sui Iuris; this makes it a liturgical abuse there. Note that a limited exception is allowed for a biritual priest who is consecrating both a prosphora loaf and hosts, and the hosts are for later use in viaticum and/or visitation of the sick.

In extreme cases, it can be justified.

The Syriac churches, from what I’ve seen and read, it’s fairly common.
 
You can also see in this video that some of the communicants are receiving the Lord by hand 😑
 
MorEphrem said:
Really? I thought the practice died a few centuries ago.
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Several Eastern Churches allow it in specific liturgies. It’s not the Syrian Church, but one of the syrian Rite Churches. (I cannot remember which one at the moment, and my google fu isn’t working right tonight.)

For example, The Oriental Orthodox Communion’s British Orthodox Church apparently uses communion in the hand for one of the liturgical texts, but not the other, with the blessing of Pope Shenouda III (of eternal memory).
 
The Assyrian Church of the East allows it if the priest does not use intinction. None of the other Syriac Churches uses in the hand regularly, as most priests intinct when distributing.
 
SyroMalankara said:
The Assyrian Church of the East allows it if the priest does not use intinction. None of the other Syriac Churches uses in the hand regularly, as most priests intinct when distributing.
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Interesting. But in terms of most priests intincting, in Lebanon that was not the case I experienced with the Maronites. Usually only the celebrant would intinct and the other priests/deacons would just dispense the host (albeit not in the hand). I wonder if the logical conclusion will be a reversion to communion in the hand in Lebanon.
 
MorEphrem said:
Interesting. But in terms of most priests intincting, in Lebanon that was not the case I experienced with the Maronites. Usually only the celebrant would intinct and the other priests/deacons would just dispense the host (albeit not in the hand). I wonder if the logical conclusion will be a reversion to communion in the hand in Lebanon.
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Not a “reversion” at all, but an innovation to be sure. But why would yet another Novus Ordo-inspired neo-latinization be surprising? Especially there? :mad:
 
I also noticed that in this Liturgy, communion was given out by the other priests under one species? Is that allowed or do you also have to give out the precious blood?
 
MorEphrem said:
Aramis;11004565:
Syriac Rite allows reception in the hand. Has for centuries.
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Really? I thought the practice died a few centuries ago.
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If the practice ever actually existed beyond what is now the ACoE, it did expire ages ago. It’s really only the ACoE that allows the practice, and even then as qualified by [post=11008620]SyroMalankara [/post].
 
yaycatholic said:
I also noticed that in this Liturgy, communion was given out by the other priests under one species? Is that allowed or do you also have to give out the precious blood?
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The very idea of Byzantines using Latin-style hosts (apparently Ukrainians in this case, and if that’s true, all I can say is I never thought I’d run into something like this, but I digress) is already, as previously noted, a major liturgical abuse. Communion under one Species only adds insult to injury.
 
theistgal said:
Which is definitely not permitted in any of the Eastern Rite churches that I’m aware of.
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I’m not Eastern Catholic, but in the Orthodox Church we do receive in the hand for the Divine Liturgy of St. James (which is only celebrated rarely), I don’t know if Eastern Catholics are the same, but it certainly isn’t an absolute rule with us.
 
yaycatholic said:
Hello!

I was watching a Divine Liturgy on youtube (youtube.com/watch?v=HRDN6gwb2vE), and when it got to the Communion part, I saw priests distributing hosts instead of prosphora?

Is it okay to use Communion hosts instead of prosphora in a Divine Liturgy?

Kyle
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In a quick look through that YouTube you link to, there are at least two bishops concelebrating. It would be interesting to find out what their justification for this was.
 
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