Utlimately Christianity is doomed.

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The CCC states that true Christianity will nearly disappear as the second coming approaches.

And there will be mass conversion of the Jews to Christianity.

The first is already happening.
So what will the Jews convert into: true or false Christianity?
 
I wish I could be around to see what atheism turns into in 22 generations. Something more interesting, one hopes.
 
Can you give us the link please? Thank you.🙂
[674](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/674.htm’)😉 The glorious Messiah’s coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by “all Israel”, for “a hardening has come upon part of Israel” in their “unbelief” toward Jesus.569 St. Peter says to the Jews of Jerusalem after Pentecost: "Repent therefore, and turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus, whom heaven must receive until the time for establishing all that God spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old."570 St. Paul echoes him: "For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?"571 The “full inclusion” of the Jews in the Messiah’s salvation, in the wake of “the full number of the Gentiles”,572 will enable the People of God to achieve “the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ”, in which “God may be all in all”.573
The Church’s ultimate trial [675](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/675.htm’)😉 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576
 
So what will the Jews convert into: true or false Christianity?
From the CCC:
674 The glorious Messiah’s coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by “all Israel”, for “a hardening has come upon part of Israel” in their “unbelief” toward Jesus.569 . . . . . . .The “full inclusion” of the Jews in the Messiah’s salvation, in the wake of “the full number of the Gentiles”,572 will enable the People of God to achieve “the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ”, in which “God may be all in all”.573
So they will convert to true Christianity if I’m reading this correctly.

But now that you ask, I’m not sure if the conversion occurs before, during, or after the falling away from Christianity.
 
Ahem? So there has been no development of doctrine? No new laws have been made by the Magesterium and then revoked over time? Do you still eat no meat every friday? Jesus never said to Peter, “I will give you the name Pope and you will be the Bishop of Rome, and Rome shall be the centre of Christianity.” There was no Bible for hundreds of years. Of course the Catholic Church has changed and developed over 2000 years. Further, older Catholics were all taught creationism, and are now rideculed for believing in it. Things have and do change. The same with allowing laymen to read the Bible post Vatican II.
One of my fellow posters on this forum may do a better job of answering this than me, as I am still learning how to defend my faith, but I would like to give this a go.

The basic teachings of Jesus have not changed within Catholicism since Jesus founded it.

Abstinence is found in the Bible and is still a doctrine of our faith, however what we abstain from may have changed e.g fish. Friday is still a day of abstinence though.

Hmmm, as to the old argument of “pope” not being in the Bible, well “bible” isn’t in it either.
Jesus founded His church on Peter, Peter went to Rome, naturally this is where the church was centred.

We can’t keep changing the centre of Catholicism to a different country so that everyone gets a turn. It would be like the Olympics, a country hosting the Pope’s living quarters for 4 years at a time.

Laymen reading the Bible has always been allowed.

The Bible was never banned from anyone. The reason why so many people back in early time didn’t read it was due to the fact they couldn’t read anything, they were illiterate, and also due to the painstaking task of copying the Bible by hand (as there was no photocopiers) it made the Bible extremely expensive to reproduce so not many people owned a copy.

There are 3 words I always seem to get confused so I hope someone can help me out. They are dogma, discipline, and doctrine.

Dogma, I think, will never be changed, discipline can be.

The dogma of the Catholic Church has never changed in 2000 years.
 
One of my fellow posters on this forum may do a better job of answering this than me, as I am still learning how to defend my faith, but I would like to give this a go.
You did a good job. :clapping:
 
In another thread a member wrote:

I found that very interesting and have to agree.

An athiest friend of mine argues that irreperable changes occur every 22-generations.

He argues vehemently that 22-generations x 100-1 * ultimately Christianity is doomed to fail as it will become so fragmented, watered down, no one will be able to recall what the original message was, much less so Christ on Whom it was founded.

What do you think?*

I seriously doubt christiannity would fail… as long as we have people continue good works and acts of Love in the Name of Jesus Christ the church will NEVER fail.

Peace, Podo
 
“You will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers. And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. And the Good News about the Kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, so that all nations will hear it; and then the end will come.”

Yeshua didn’t sugar-coat the truth. There will be persecutions and killings, even! Many “Christians” will turn against even their own families … against God himself and side with Samael. Love will grow cold, sin will be everywhere.

I don’t doubt that even now Christianity is on the brink of what will soon be a major shrinkage. Why? Because Islam is growing, spreading, and all those who are genuine in their faith in the Eastern world seem to be cut down and martyred at unfathomably quick (and insane) rates. Our greeting in Heaven will be very large for that very reason, but here on earth, we will be few. America has, let’s face it, lost her way. She is a drunken prostitute, a shameful whore … and there is nothing Christian about her except a small minority being suppressed daily. For this reason, fewer and fewer will come to realize the power they have in that little Book whose words will no longer be read except in secret in distant lands, whose pages there will be stained with blood.

We can make a difference. Or rather, God can use us to do so … But we must work together and act fast. If not, I fear that we will ALLOW our time to be the Last Time … Those in the past dealt with mass murderers and tyrants and antichrists all the way back to the Apostles. When Nero was lighting Christians ablaze to light the Olympic Games and all hope seemed dead and the Last Days drew near, they were delivered because they grew more feverent in their prayers and more eager in their sharing of the Message. He saw that even in their present situation could they be used to reach the world. Even so can it be now, but only if we are submitted, comitted, and fearful for the souls of ourselves and others.

If we truly preach Christ without fear (or in spite of fear), there remains hope for better and brighter days, at least for a while. If not, now is the time …
 
Where is your Faith…

Do you think our Redeemer wasted His time with Us…died an awful death for ultimately a folly.

The gates of Hell will never prevail against His Church…remember Jesus Christ is Head of the Church and the pope is His vicar on Earth

be not afraid…
 
Don’t forget the Islam is a bunch of different independent sects. Catholicism is the largest religion in the world when we take divisions in other religions into account like we do with Christianity.
There were 1.098 billion Catholics in the world, reveals the 2006 edition of the Pontifical Yearbook. source Zenit news

Following numbers come from
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

Christian (Catholics/non-Catholics) total = 2.1 billion

Islam = 1.3 billion / four major sects

Secular/irreligious/agnostic/atheist/antitheistic/antireligious = 1.1 billion ?

Judism = 14 million

Hindi = 900 million

Buddist = 376 million

Neopaganism*: 1 million (Began: 20th century AD/CE) *
A blanket term for several religions like Wicca, Asatru, Neo-druidism, and polytheistic reconstructionist religions

This is just the short list…

Atheist are wishful thinkers. 🤷 Christianity is far from being Doomed. But major growth is coming from the Southern Hemisphere…
 
Not to you personally but to Sixtus the thread strarter…however I am happy to make your aquaintance now…God Bless You
Alright. Nice to have met you, as well.

Shalom.
 
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