Vaccines using aborted fetal cells

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What exactly are we supposed to do? The article had a lot of complicated sentences for me and it got confusing when I got to the principle of licit cooperation in evil and the next part.😊 A short summary of those two parts would be greatly appreciated (especially since it takes up your time). By the way, I read ThePuppyTurtle’s article since it sounds like what you were talking about.

So, are we supposed to not use them because it would be sinful and use another option, but we should use them when no other option is present and the health of others/self is in danger?
Thanks for the article.
 
Dr. Deisher - the President of Sound Choice was recently (last Monday) on Catholic Answers live show this month. She was discussing adult stem cells on that show but here is her organization’s website where they discuss other questions regarding vaccines developed from aborted fetal cell lines.

soundchoice.org/home.html
 
I’m not an expert on this by any means, but I can tell you what my decision was for my own children.

I researched the vaccines and what diseases they are preventing (whether or not they are deadly). I looked up cogforlife.org and paid close attention to the alternative vaccines. When I took my kids into the doctor I requested the alternatives immunizations if they carried them. Sometimes they did had them.

The Church has given the faithful the okay to vaccinate children to stop spreading the diseases. I approved and disproved each vaccine on an individual basis. If the disease was not life threatening and the vaccine was unethical, then I did not allow my kids to have them (chicken pox and Hep A for example).

The ethical vaccines they did receive and the final one (the MMR) my kids have not had yet. At school age I will allow them to have it, but only because the school is pushy on that one and we have had outbreaks in the area.

Good luck.
 
I was limited-ly vaccinated, (tetanus, I believe, twice) never had Hep B or MMR or anything. I don’t plan to vaccinate my children. Personal choice and I have done the research.
 
National Catholic Bioethics Center: ncbcenter.org/Page.aspx?pid=434
What support is there in Church teaching for this position [that the vax may be administered if no alt. availible]?

A statement from the Pontifical Academy for Life issued in 2005 holds that one may use these products, despite their distant association with abortion, at least until such time as new vaccines become available.
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I respect the individual parental choice here and I wish that school districts were also more respectful. I very much disagree with the efforts of some to make Gardasil mandatory among school age children - there’s absolutely no reason why my daughters should be at risk of HPV merely by attending public school.

The Vatican guidelines make sense - avoid whatever is complicity with evil, but if there are no options then the evil of leaving kids vulnerable to lethal infections is worse than the remote cooperation with evil through use of the tainted product.

My wife and I discussed each vaccine. Some briefly (polio and MMR), some at length. I had asked the pediatrician to split up vaccines where possible even if that meant multiple visits (the reaction seems less - both our daughters were cranky for a day or two, neither had fever or swollen fontanel in any case, but the crankiness was less). We disagreed with each other on the chicken pox vaccine (she and I both have immunity through having had the pox as kids), and I dropped my objection because the health concerns, while present, are remote.

Others, like Hep and MMR, we both agree with, partly because Hep seems to be developing resilience against standard efforts to contain it. I’d like to give them the meningitis vaccine when they’re older. The organism is developing a frightening resilience, both my wife and I (attending separate colleges) knew a student who came down with meningitis while we were there. The one I knew lost both legs, an arm, a kidney, his spleen and suffered disfigurement from the meningitis. The one she knew died.
 
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What exactly are we supposed to do? The article had a lot of complicated sentences for me and it got confusing when I got to the principle of licit cooperation in evil and the next part.😊 A short summary of those two parts would be greatly appreciated (especially since it takes up your time). By the way, I read ThePuppyTurtle’s article since it sounds like what you were talking about.

So, are we supposed to not use them because it would be sinful and use another option, but we should use them when no other option is present and the health of others/self is in danger?
Thanks for the article.
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I agree that this language is hard to wade through - it’s kind of Church legal-ese. Here is a link to the Catholic Bioethics Center that I think is very incisive, very clear about how we can approach this issue. If there is no alternative vaccine available:

"One is morally free to use the vaccine regardless of its historical association with abortion. The reason is that the risk to public health, if one chooses not to vaccinate, outweighs the legitimate concern about the origins of the vaccine. This is especially important for parents, who have a moral obligation to protect the life and health of their children and those around them.

The bottom line is that we are in fact allowed to use these vaccines, if there are no alternatives, because vaccine use “does not contribute directly to the practice of abortion.” There’s some good info in there on where these fetal cells came from, and how subsequent vaccines are developed based on those cell lines. It clarifies a great deal.

ncbcenter.org/page.aspx?pid=1284
 
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