Vagina monologues... what?

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Have any of you heard of this? Do you think it objectionable?
I guess i don’t know enough about it from reading this article i found on a catholic site but please help me out here.

bustedhalo.com/features/RememberingV-DayDefendingtheVaginaMonologues.htm
It’s been years since I’ve seen these…when HBO ran a series on it. Basically, it’s similar to prose/poetry writing with music in the background…women standing on stage, and talking about the realities and beauty of womanhood, but in a very feministic way. I always thought they were stupid, actually…because these women refer to ‘vagina’ a lot in their poetry.

If you want to show people the beauty of authentic womanhood…that isn’t the way to do it, in my opinion.
 
Jeez…

I you can’t accept a part of your body, call it for what it is, or… realize that those parts between your legs have an influence on your being, and yourself…and then be comfortable enough to make jokes about it…
My vagina has an influence on my being? That’s news to me…:rolleyes:

I’d say that my femininity is an integral part of my being–and only part of my femininity is my sexuality. My sexuality is not *me, *nor is my sexuality my vagina; I’m me, and in marriage I will give myself completely to my husband in sexual union. But in no way does my vagina, as a sexual object of empowerment as Eve Ensler sees it, have an influence on my being.

And there is absolutely no value in denigrating my immensely valuable sexuality by ‘making jokes’ about what my vagina would wear, etc. None.
What if it was the “Nipple Monologue” (I can’t help it, it’s cold… I’m gonna stick out…)
It might not be as offensive, but it would be an equally lame attempt at theatrical entertainment.
Males for eons have been accused of “letting the little head do the thinking for the big one”… It’s about time that women admit that their “parts” sometimes have a mind of their own, and are funny too.
So you think it’s a good idea for women to follow the (stereotypical) male example of allowing themselves to be driven by lust?

We’re human beings, yeah, we can admit sexual passion, but we have to recognize that our sexuality is a gift from God. It’s not something to be used merely for pleasure, but is a way for us to share completely of ourselves with our spouses.

That so many people take these ‘monologues’ so lightly indicates the enormous misunderstanding of the beauty of sexuality and the dignity of women of many people in our society. The V-Logs can’t possibly help any woman understand what it means to be a mature person who healthily expresses her sexuality, because Eve Ensler simply doesn’t understand what that means.
 
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…because Eve Ensler simply doesn’t understand what that means.
Or what or where a vagina is. I have been to the “Monologues” and I found it offensive, sure, and in large part because of the repeated references to the vagina when, according to the context used, they should have said vulva.

If these people can’t get the anatomy correct (which is a fact, concrete and not up for debate) I don’t know how they would comprehend something like TOTB or basic Catholic teaching on sexuality.
 
That so many people take these ‘monologues’ so lightly indicates the enormous misunderstanding of the beauty of sexuality and the dignity of women of many people in our society. The V-Logs can’t possibly help any woman understand what it means to be a mature person who healthily expresses her sexuality, because Eve Ensler simply doesn’t understand what that means.
Awesome. Well said. 🙂
 
I think perhaps it’s time to flesh this topic out a little.

The thing about this play and the controversy over it that disturbs me the most is the hidden agendas, the straw-man arguments, and the subtle running assumption that to accept openness about female sexuality means to accept crudery and the glorification of statutory rape and masturbation.

My primary objection to this play is very simple: it makes it perfectly clear that masturbation, rape, and homosexual sex are perfectly acceptable and a natural part of female growth, when we know they are not; not outside of our fallen nature anyway. Ensler says the play isn’t meant to be politically correct or reverent; that’s fine, but if she isn’t concerned about courtesy (and perhaps she is right not to be), then she shouldn’t be surprised when level-headed people condemn a play that glorifies statutory rape. She says she is simply reflecting women’s real experiences, and she’s right As Christians we know that rape and lust can be as evil as racism. Can you imagine what would happen if I wrote a series of monologues glorifying racism and genocide because that glorification “reflects the real experiences of certain individuals”? I’d get shot, and I’d deserve it.

Still, merely the fact that a play glorifying sexual sin is popular doesn’t concern me that much: literature pushing evil acts has been celebrated in the past, and new such literature will be praised in the future. What scares me is the constant, unchallenged insistence that a rejection of a work pushing both sexual sin and healthy sexual openness is automatically a reject of both sexual evil and healthy sexual openness.

I say I don’t like VM because it pushes statutory rape, and I am asked why I reject sexual openness and positive thoughts. I don’t reject sexual openness and positive thoughts about female sexuality and genitalia; what I reject is the implication that to honor those things necessarily means honoring sexual sin. I can fight violence against women and support sexual equality and openness without glorifying sin, thank-you-very-much, and Eve Ensler should be able to too. She simply chooses not to because she wants the causes of sexual openness and the cessation of violence against women to be indissolubly linked to sexual sin. All of us here need to proclaim that positive, healthy talk and thought about female sexuality does not necessarily entail, and indeed, is the antithesis of, support of sexual sin.

I reject this play because, as I said before, we are here to establish God’s kingdom on earth. We must fight both sexual sin and violence against women, not compromise one for the sake of the other, as accepting this play does.

There is another, much more subtle, much less certain reason why I dislike this play. This last reason is merely my speculation, I am not as certain about my position expressed in this paragraph as I am about my position articulated above. I support openness and positive talk about female sexuality; I’ve already said that. But the talk in these monologues is not merely open and positive: it is loud, crass, crude, irreverent, and sometimes (anatomically)inaccurate. The women in the show scream with every sentence "I am loud, obnoxious, assertive, and crass, hear my genitalia roar.”

Remember the classic criticism of feminism: “Feminists hate womanhood and want women to be men.”? That seems to be what is at work here. Ensler sees men who are loud, crude, obnoxious, and obsessed with their genitalia, and she writes a play in which women act in the same way. But that isn’t true woman hood; it isn’t even true manhood. A play meant to raise up women should either present false womanhood (even that which reflects real experiences) in a bad light or present true womanhood in a good light, but presenting a false view of womanhood that amounts to an imitation of an equally twisted manhood doesn’t do it. As I said, this last point is simply my speculation, but I can’t shake the feeling.

God bless.
 
Fantastic, Transformer. We’ll probably need you here at ND next year, when the V-Logs will once again be sponsored by the Sociology Department (more than likely; they said they’d do it every other year… this year was the ‘off year’.)

I’ve talked to various feminist supporters of this play on campus, and the general response to my opposition to the V-Logs is that I’m a prude, not ‘comfortable with my body/sexuality,’ and that I don’t value the dignity of women or care about violence against them. I say that I’m a pro-life, Catholic *feminist *and get looked at like I’m an alien, or perhaps a deluded victim of patriarchy trying to convince myself that everything is ok. There is just such an utter misunderstanding of what it means to be a woman, and what sexual expression is itself for.

The sad thing about feminists such as Ensler is that they will never understand the beauty of sexuality. Whatever sex they engage in in their lives will *always *be damaging to them, and it will *always *implicitly support the violence against women which she supposedly so vehemently opposes.

Why?

Because Ensler, et al., have reduced all human relationships to ones based on power. Forget love and friendship–all is pleasure and gaining something which another does not have. Asserting the self above all else… and there is no love there. There’s really just sexual violence, in its most perverted form, and they don’t even realize it.

Statutory rape isn’t recognized as violence against a woman, but her coming into sexual maturity and ‘discovery’. Masturbation isn’t seen as the violence against her own dignity which it is, but a means to pleasure. Pleasure and the self are asserted above all else–and this is the last thing which sexuality is supposed to mean. Sex is intended to be the pinnacle of human communion: total self-gift to another in the most human of ways.

Manipulating sex as Ensler and many modern feminists do justifies violence against women because it doesn’t say “wait a minute here, sex = communion, not a perpetrator-victim relationship.” What it proclaims–loudly and crudely–is that “Sex is all about pleasure and power! Someone’s going to be taken advantage of–so make sure it’s not you! Get what you want!”

If we can so easily identify that rape, when a man commits this atrocity of sexual violence, is wrong–why is it not the same when the woman does it, to herself or to another, male or female?

I’d like to add that here at ND, we’ve been trying to offer alternatives to Ensler’s damaging vision of what it means to be a woman. In February of this year and last, students hosted a two-day conference called the Edith Stein Project, about ‘Redefining Feminism’ and promoting healing, not only for women who have been victimized, but for our culture. I think we made real, fruitful strides–if only more of the vocal feminists would have paused to critically think of their positions and attend.
 
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