Valid Eucharistic prayers?

[BillTBC]

What makes a Eucharistic prayer valid? I understand that, generally speaking, it should say “This is my Body; this is my Blood” or in some way recount this (I think the “Assyrian Church” uses valid “anaphoras” that do not strictly say the above words.) That being said, What do you think of the following prayers?

Concerning the bread:

“We thank Thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Even as this broken bread was scattered over the hills, and was gathered together and became one, so let Thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom; for Thine is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever…”

Concerning the cup:

“We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever.”

 

[Spirithound]

Concerning the bread:

“We thank Thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Even as this broken bread was scattered over the hills, and was gathered together and became one, so let Thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom; for Thine is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever…”

Concerning the cup:

“We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever.”

These sound closer to an earlier prayer in the Mass, (or possibly the first section of the Eucharistic prayer):
“Blessed are You, Lord God of all creation. Through Your Goodness, we have this wine to offer. Fruit of the vine, and work of human hands, it will become for us our spiritual drink.” (I think I missed a couple words…).
As a consecration, I don’t think your post above makes it. Which lead to my counter-question: Where did you get it? Did you memorize it from Mass?

 

[BillTBC]

These sound closer to an earlier prayer in the Mass, (or possibly the first section of the Eucharistic prayer):
“Blessed are You, Lord God of all creation. Through Your Goodness, we have this wine to offer. Fruit of the vine, and work of human hands, it will become for us our spiritual drink.” (I think I missed a couple words…).
As a consecration, I don’t think your post above makes it. Which lead to my counter-question: Where did you get it? Did you memorize it from Mass?

No, I confess it was a trick question. It’s from the Didache on how to conduct the Eucharist. But it doesn’t have any elements that I often hear people say are required for a prayer to be valid. I didn’t want to bias people’s answers by telling them where it was from

 

[bpbasilphx]

**It’s presently an open question whether this is in fact a Eucharistic prayer, or a prayer for the Agape.

Keep in mind there was also the “discipline of the secret.” Not everything liturgical was written down. St. Paul said on the very matter of celebrating the Eucharist, “And the rest I will set in order when I come.” St. John wrote, “I have many things to tell you, but I cannot put them down in paper and ink.”**

 

[BillTBC]

**It’s presently an open question whether this is in fact a Eucharistic prayer, or a prayer for the Agape.

Keep in mind there was also the “discipline of the secret.” Not everything liturgical was written down. St. Paul said on the very matter of celebrating the Eucharist, “And the rest I will set in order when I come.” St. John wrote, “I have many things to tell you, but I cannot put them down in paper and ink.”**

Thanks for that

 

[porthos11]

What makes a Eucharistic prayer valid? I understand that, generally speaking, it should say “This is my Body; this is my Blood” or in some way recount this (I think the “Assyrian Church” uses valid “anaphoras” that do not strictly say the above words.) That being said, What do you think of the following prayers?

Concerning the bread:

“We thank Thee, our Father, for the life and knowledge which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever. Even as this broken bread was scattered over the hills, and was gathered together and became one, so let Thy Church be gathered together from the ends of the earth into Thy kingdom; for Thine is the glory and the power through Jesus Christ for ever…”

Concerning the cup:

“We thank thee, our Father, for the holy vine of David Thy servant, which You madest known to us through Jesus Thy Servant; to Thee be the glory for ever.”

This text is from the Didache, and while it’s clearly liturgical, we have no indication that this was part of an anaphora.

 

[Spirithound]

No, I confess it was a trick question. It’s from the Didache on how to conduct the Eucharist. But it doesn’t have any elements that I often hear people say are required for a prayer to be valid. I didn’t want to bias people’s answers by telling them where it was from

Ah, well then, bearing in mind this new information and the subsequent posts, I would like to quote St. Teresa of Avila, with some necessary adjustments
In whatever I may say in this [forum], I submit to what our Mother, the Holy Roman Church, teaches; if I write anything contrary to this, it will be unintentionally. Therefore, I beg of the theologians who are to read it, for the love of our Lord to examine it carefully and to correct any such faults as well as any other defects it may possess. If it has any good in it, may it be for the honour and glory of God and the service of His most holy Mother, our Patron and our Lady, whose [medal] I wear, although most unworthy of it.

Hmm…seems too long to be a sig…