Vatican says condoms don't prevent Aids

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burnside:
I did a search first to see if this British TV Programme had got a mention and couldn’t find anything.I wonder what you think as
the Church took a lot of criticism for Her opinion.See link below:-

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3176982.stm
They don’t. They can reduce the risk but condoms don’t prevent anything. The reduce the probability of certain things happening like pregnancy and disease. But they can break, some are porous.

Mel
 
The cure for aids is no sex before marriage period. And make sure the one you plan to marry is tested BEFORE you marry them.
 
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burnside:
I did a search first to see if this British TV Programme had got a mention and couldn’t find anything.I wonder what you think as
the Church took a lot of criticism for Her opinion.See link below:-

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3176982.stm]

As a practicing physician I always tell my patients that condoms REDUCE the risk of HIV but they are not a guaranteed prevention. I suspect that the quotes might have been taken out of context, but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were some underlings who misspoke on the subject.

In Christ
Greg
 
So Christ’s body, His Catholic Church, was right yet again! Of course you won’t hear this in the media or from most of our fallen away brothers and sisters. Good news is swept under the rug, bad news is hung out to dry!
 
As I see it, condoms actually intesify the spread of Aids through a deceptive sence of security.

There were some women on the news telling their story about how a man had murdered them. I think they said that twenty five women, that they knew of, had contracted Aids from one man. One woman said that, initially, they used condoms to be safe. However, once she “fell in love with the man” they no longer used the condoms in a show of love and trust in one another.

Government handing out condoms in highschools does more to promote high risk behaviour, than it does to protect children from dangerous behavior.

The homosexual group “act up” handed out condoms on the steps of St. James Cathedral in one of their pro-abortion attacks on the Church. As the homosexuals handed out the condoms they were saying, “Don’t listen to the Church. Be safe!”. Yet I read in statistics that homosexuals are far less likely to use condoms than heterosexuals. The homosexuals did not hand out condoms because they were concerned about keeping children safe. They deceptively handed our condoms to seduce people to join them in thier imorality and evil political agenda.

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
 
Condoms have a 14% failure rate. taken from Contraceptive Technology Seventeenth Revised Edition 1998.
 
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renee1258:
Condoms have a 14% failure rate. taken from Contraceptive Technology Seventeenth Revised Edition 1998.
And this rate of failure is only in regards to pregency. It does not show the rate of STD transfer.

I doubt that they ever have or ever will perform such a study.
 
people want their cake and want to eat it as well. There is only one way to stop the spread of aids through sexual contact and that is to stop the sexual contact. People are blown away that the church would suggest living chastely with a spouse who has AIDS. I know of no other way to 100% ensure there is no spread through sex. I would never put my husband at risk if I was infected. That would be my cross to bear. There are some things more important than self gratification through sex. Why does the rest of the world just not get it?!
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ByzCath:
And this rate of failure is only in regards to pregency. It does not show the rate of STD transfer.

I doubt that they ever have or ever will perform such a study.
Very true considering a woman isn’t fertile her entire cycle.
 
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renee1258:
Condoms have a 14% failure rate. taken from Contraceptive Technology Seventeenth Revised Edition 1998.
Piling on with those others who have already pointed out that this failure rate goes far deeper than the miserable 14% failure rate, I’d like to do show everyone some math. That failure rate is in regards to pregnancy, which we know is only possible for approximately 25% of the fertility cycle, allowing one to guess that the actual failure rate (allowing sperm through the barrier) could be 4 times as high. Even if we consider this excessive, a generous 2 times larger failure rate (to account for times of infertility) would put us at 28% failure. One in four. Now consider that the HIV virus is 50 times smaller than sperm. Anyone else find it ridiculous that the world seems convinced this is going to be an effective way to stop the spread of AIDS? And as if heaping burning coals on their own heads, condom advocates criticize Uganda’s abstinence policy as placing ideology before safety when it is hands down the most successful AIDS prevention program in Africa.
 
Another problem in Africa is political stability, many young men are off in civil wars and HIV rises. Like it or not, it is common to sleep with prostitutes. A part of this plan is to bring some civility in Africa, bring men back home to their wives.
 
I would be very leary of the BBC’s reporting on anything Catholic. I would like to know exactly what the bishops said in context.

Also, there needs to be noted the consistent use of condoms, where it really starts to pile up the AIDs cases. Most people simply don’t use them consistently. Theses health organizations wave condoms around like a talisman against evil, but when you get down to it, if these unfortunate souls don’t have the discipline to curb their promiscuity, how likely is it they will use condoms consistently? It’s a blasphemous appeal to magic.

Scott
 
A Left-Wing Labour M.P who was criticising the Church was Clare Short who has a Catholic background but had a son when she was 19 years old and gave him up for adoption.The last i heard her son was a Local Authority politician for the Conservatives.
Clare was very much a high-flyer till she and Robin Cook fell out
with Tony Blair over the Iraq War.Blair is accused of being dishonest about this issue,but it is worth mentioning that Robin Cook was having an affair with his secretary and only admitted it to his surgeon wife when he learned that a newspaper was about to blow the whistle on him.He 'phoned her from the Airport which he was about to depart from on a trip with the secretary.He is now married to the secretary.
 
I’m going to post the abstracts from a couple of articles regarding the risk of HIV transmission with the use of condoms. I will give a short review of the study before each abstract.
The first study was conducted in female sex workers (read prostitutes) in Africa. All the participants were supposed to use condoms, some also using nonoxynol-9. Of course not all were compliant. In the group that used condoms WITH nonoxynol-9 the risk was about 15% per 100 women years. If you say that a woman is sexually active with more than one partner from 20-30 years of age, that would amount to a 1.5% risk of HIV transmission. In the women who used condom WITHOUT nonoxynol-9 the risk was about 10% per 100 woman years, which with our fictitious average of women having 10 years of promiscuity (20-30 years old) amounts to about 1% risk of HIV. Of course compliance which was not clearly spelled out in the study is an important issue. Here’s the first study:

Van Damme L, Ramjee G, Alary M et al. Effectiveness of COL-1492, a nonoxynol-9 vaginal gel, on HIV-1 transmission in female sex workers: a randomised controlled trial. Lancet 2002; 360: 971–977.

INTERVENTION Three hundred and seventy-six women were randomized to receive nonoxynol-9 gel (52.5 mg per dose) and 389 women to receive placebo. The women were instructed to use condoms (provided by the study) and gel with every sex act and to reapply the gel if they cleaned their vagina after last intercourse. The women visited the clinic monthly for a physical examination, blood tests, and a fresh supply of gel and condoms. Any curable sexually transmitted disease (STD) detected at screening or during the study was treated.

MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES Incidence of HIV-1 infection and other STDs, side-effects.

MAIN RESULTS About 70% of women stayed in the study for 48 weeks. In almost 500 000 vaginal sex acts, gel was used with condoms 71% of the time, condom alone 18%, and gel alone 9%. There were 59 cases of seroconversion to HIV-1 in the nonoxynol-9 group (14.7 per 100 women-years), compared to 45 cases in the placebo group (10.3 per 100 women-years). The hazard ratio (HR) for HIV-1 infection with nonoxynol-9 use, adjusted for centre, was 1.5 (95% CI 1.0–2.2, *p *= 0.047). The hazard ratios were similar for women who always used condoms and those who sometimes did not. For women who used the gel up to 3.5 times daily, there was no significant difference in risk of HIV-1 infection between the nonoxynol-9 and placebo groups (incidence 8.8 vs 8.1 per 100 women-years, respectively). But for the 32% of women who used the gel > 3.5 times daily, the incidence of HIV-1 infection was 31 per 100 women-years in the nonoxynol-9 group and 15 in the placebo group (HR 1.8, CI 1.0–3.2, *p *= 0.03). Genital lesions with epithelial breach were more likely in women who used the gel > 3.5 times daily, especially in the nonoxynol-9 group, and were associated with a 2-fold increase in the risk of HIV-1 infection. The incidence of Neisseria gonorrhoeae infection was 40 per 100 women-years in the nonoxynol-9 group and 33 in the placebo group (HR 1.2, CI 0.9–1.6, *p *= 0.19) and of Chlamydia trachomatis infection was 26 and 22 per 100 women-years, respectively (HR 1.2, CI 0.8–1.6, p = 0.37).
 
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The second study was designed to follow monogamous couples, one of whom was HIV positive. The results are easier to understand in the abstract that follows. Suffice it to say the condom’s effectiveness at preventing HIV transmission is estimated to be 87%, but it may be as low as 60% or as high as 96%. Personally I believe it is closer to 96% than to 60%. Either way both studies show that condom uses does drastically reduce transmission but that it is NOT a guaranteed prevention. The ONLY guaranteed prevention of acquiring HIV by sexual contact is ABSTINENCE! Not only is it more effective but it’s also cheaper than passing out condoms. God is right AGAIN!

**The effectiveness of condoms in reducing heterosexual transmission of HIV. Davis KR - Fam Plann Perspect - 01-NOV-1999; 31(6): 272-9

Abstract:**
CONTEXT: It is not established whether the condom is as effective at preventing heterosexual transmission of HIV as it is for preventing conception. An overall estimate of condom effectiveness for HIV prevention is needed. METHODS: Information on condom usage and HIV serology was obtained from 25 published studies of serodiscordant heterosexual couples. Condom usage was classified as always (in 100% of acts of intercourse), sometimes (1-99%, 0-99% or 1-100%) or never (0%). Studies were stratified by design, direction of transmission and condom usage group. Condom efficacy was calculated from the HIV transmission rates for always-users and never-users. RESULTS: For always-users, 12 cohort samples yielded a consistent HIV incidence of 0.9 per 100 person-years (95% confidence interval, 0.4-1.8). For 11 cohort samples of never-users, incidence was estimated at 6.8 per 100 person-years (95% confidence interval, 4.4-10.1) for male-to-female transmission, 5.9 per 100 (95% confidence interval, 1.5-15.1) for female-to-male transmission and 6.7 per 100 (95% confidence interval, 4.5-9.6) in samples that specified the direction of transmission. Generally, the condom’s effectiveness at preventing HIV transmission is estimated to be 87%, but it may be as low as 60% or as high as 96%. CONCLUSIONS: Consistent use of condoms provides protection from HIV. The level of protection approximates 87%, with a range depending upon the incidence among condom nonusers. Thus, the condom’s efficacy at reducing heterosexual transmission may be comparable to or slightly lower than its effectiveness at preventing pregnancy

Peace in Christ,
Greg
 
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Melchior:
They don’t. They can reduce the risk but condoms don’t prevent anything. The reduce the probability of certain things happening like pregnancy and disease. But they can break, some are porous.

Mel
It is my understanding that the AID’s virus is many times smaller then the usual pores found in latex. I still would not play with a sixshooter even if someone removes five of the bullets!
 
the Center For disease control, Guttenmacher Family Planning Institute, United Nations health & population research, and Planned parenthood, as well as research by condom manufacturers says condoms do no prevent sthe spread of AIDS and HIV, the Vatican is repeating their conclusions, not publishing its own research.
 
Br. Rich SFO:
It is my understanding that the AID’s virus is many times smaller then the usual pores found in latex. I still would not play with a sixshooter even if someone removes five of the bullets!
Just some clarification. There is no AIDs virus, its HIV. AIDs is a condition, and it is caused by other virus and deseases then HIV though rarely.

Yes the HIV virus is very small, it can pass thru natural condoms very easily. Latex in its virgin form fresh from the factory SHOULD be a good barrier, but after 10 mins of use or improper handing /storage it is no longer effective and creates a porous net that the HIV can pass.
 
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